Show that B is not a topology on R

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The discussion revolves around the family of subsets B of the real numbers \(\mathbb{R}\), specifically examining whether B can be classified as a topology on \(\mathbb{R}\). The subsets in question include \(\mathbb{R}\) itself and intervals of the form [n,a) where n is an integer and a is a real number.

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  • Participants explore the necessary conditions for B to be a topology, particularly focusing on the validity of the conditions regarding unions and intersections of sets in B. Questions are raised about the failure of condition (3), which pertains to finite unions.

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Some participants have provided insights regarding the union of the sets [n,a), with differing opinions on whether this union results in \(\mathbb{R}\) or not. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these unions and the definitions related to topologies, with no explicit consensus reached.

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Participants note potential misunderstandings regarding the definition of a topology, particularly the requirement for finite intersections to be included in the topology, which has led to some confusion in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Let B be the family of subsets of [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex] consisting of [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex] and the subsets [n,a) := {[itex]r \in \mathbb{R} : n \leq r < a[/itex]} with [itex]n \in \mathbb{Z}[/itex], a [itex]\in \mathbb{R}[/itex] Show that B is not a topology on [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex]


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If B were a topology then we would need:
[itex]\emptyset[/itex]and [itex]\mathbb{R} \in[/itex] B (1), the arbitrary union of any opens in B to be in B (2) and any finite union of opens in B to be in B (3). Now the first two conditions (1), (2), seem to be valid so if B is not a topology on [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex] then certainly condition (3) would have to fail. My question is, does condition (3) indeed fail and if it does, how can I show this?

Thanks in advance
 
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Tomath said:

Homework Statement


Let B be the family of subsets of [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex] consisting of [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex] and the subsets [n,a) := {[itex]r \in \mathbb{R} : n \leq r < a[/itex]} with [itex]n \in \mathbb{Z}[/itex], a [itex]\in \mathbb{R}[/itex] Show that B is not a topology on [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex]


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The Attempt at a Solution


If B were a topology then we would need:
[itex]\emptyset[/itex]and [itex]\mathbb{R} \in[/itex] B (1), the arbitrary union of any opens in B to be in B (2) and any finite union of opens in B to be in B (3). Now the first two conditions (1), (2), seem to be valid so if B is not a topology on [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex] then certainly condition (3) would have to fail. My question is, does condition (3) indeed fail and if it does, how can I show this?

Thanks in advance

What is the union of all of the [n,a)?
 
Dick said:
What is the union of all of the [n,a)?

If I am not mistaken the union of all of the [n,a) is [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex]
 
Tomath said:
If I am not mistaken the union of all of the [n,a) is [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex]

Yes. What if you take a little bit less of the ##[n,a)##?? Can you form some half-open interval?
 
Tomath said:
If I am not mistaken the union of all of the [n,a) is [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex]

No, I don't think it's all of R. a or a+1 isn't in it. Oh, and your definition of topology is a little off. You want finite intersections to be in the topology. Specifying finite unions after you already said arbitrary union would be a little redundant.
 
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