Show that f such that f(x+cy)=f(x)+cf(y) is continuous

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The discussion revolves around proving the continuity of a function \( f \) defined by the functional equation \( f(x+cy) = f(x) + cf(y) \). Participants explore the implications of this equation and its relationship to continuity, particularly at the point \( 0 \) and for all \( a \in \mathbb{R} \).

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  • Participants discuss various approaches to proving continuity, including examining the behavior of \( f \) at \( 0 \) and using sequences. There are attempts to apply the epsilon-delta definition and to explore the implications of the functional equation on continuity.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing different perspectives on how to approach the proof of continuity. Some have made progress in proving continuity under certain assumptions, while others express confusion about specific steps or the necessity of proving continuity at \( 0 \) first. There is no clear consensus yet, but several productive lines of reasoning have been proposed.

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Participants note the importance of continuity at \( 0 \) and question whether continuity at other points can be established without it. There is also mention of the potential implications of the functional equation on the overall continuity of \( f \).

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Homework Statement
Let f:R→R be a function such that f(x+cy)=f(x)+cf(y), ∀x,y∈R, ∀c∈R. Show that f is continuous.
Relevant Equations
f(x+cy)=f(x)+cf(y), ∀x,y∈R, ∀c∈R
We need to show that ##\lim_{x \rightarrow a}f(x)=f(a), \forall a \in \mathbb{R}## .
At first, I tried to show that f is continuous at 0 and from there I would show for all a∈R. But now, I think this may not even be true. I only got that f(0)=0. I'm very confused, I appreciate any help!
 
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##f## is continuous at ##0##, and from there you can work with the translation ##x\longmapsto x+a##. For continuity at ##0## consider ##f(1/n)=1/n f(1).##
 
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fresh_42 said:
f is continuous at 0, and from there you can work with the translation x⟼x+a. For continuity at 0 consider f(1/n)=1/nf(1).
I already managed to prove continuity for all ##a\in\mathbb{R}## assuming that ##f## is continuous at ##0##, but I can't see how to prove continuity for 0 considering ##f(1/n)=1/nf(1)##. Is it something related to sequences?
 
Bptrhp said:
I already managed to prove continuity for all ##a\in\mathbb{R}## assuming that ##f## is continuous at ##0##, but I can't see how to prove continuity for 0 considering ##f(1/n)=1/nf(1)##. Is it something related to sequences?
What about trying ##x = a + h##, where ##x \rightarrow a## is equivalent to ##h \rightarrow 0##?
 
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Bptrhp said:
I already managed to prove continuity for all ##a\in\mathbb{R}## assuming that ##f## is continuous at ##0##, but I can't see how to prove continuity for 0 considering ##f(1/n)=1/nf(1)##. Is it something related to sequences?
I would take the epsilon-delta definition, or just take an arbitrary sequence ##x_n \longrightarrow 0##. The sequence ##1/n \longrightarrow 0## was meant as an example to help you find the clue. The key is the following equation:
$$
|f(x_n)-f(a)|=|x_n\cdot f(1)-a\cdot f(1)|=|x_n-a|\cdot |f(1)|
$$
where you can immediately read the epsilons and deltas from.
 
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To remember the definitions, I use to think about the following picture, which isn't allow to happen on a continuous function:
\begin{align*}
\text{______________}&\\[14pt]
&\text{______________}
\end{align*}
Coming closer on the ##x-## axis doesn't allow a gap on the ##y-##axis.
 
It's actually easier to compute a general solution for f, than to prove that f is continuous.
if you substitute x =0, y = u, c = 1/u, you get f(u) = (f(1)- f(0)) u.
These are obviously all continuous.
 
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@willem2 That argument only works when ##u\neq 0##, so it doesn't get you around needing to prove continuity at ##0.##

Edit: Although, this is easy to fix. Your expression shows that the limit is zero, and putting ##x=y=0,c\neq 0## shows that ##f(0)=0.##
 
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fresh_42 said:
I would take the epsilon-delta definition, or just take an arbitrary sequence ##x_n \longrightarrow 0##. The sequence ##1/n \longrightarrow 0## was meant as an example to help you find the clue. The key is the following equation:
$$
|f(x_n)-f(a)|=|x_n\cdot f(1)-a\cdot f(1)|=|x_n-a|\cdot |f(1)|
$$
where you can immediately read the epsilons and deltas from.

Does that mean the continuity ##\forall a \in \mathbb{R}## can be shown by epsilon-delta definition without showing continuity at ##0## first?

My attempt:
Given ##\epsilon >0##, take ##\delta = \dfrac{\epsilon } {|f(1)|}>0##, so that for any ##x\in\mathbb{R},|x-a|<\delta##, we have
##|f(x)-f(a)|=|x\cdot f(1)-a\cdot f(1)|=|x-a|\cdot |f(1)|<\delta\cdot |f(1)|=\epsilon##.

I feel like I'm missing something...
 
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Bptrhp said:
Does that mean the continuity ##\forall a \in \mathbb{R}## can be shown by epsilon-delta definition without showing continuity at ##0## first?
Yes.
My attempt:
Given ##\epsilon >0##, take ##\delta = \dfrac{\epsilon } {|f(1)|}>0##, so that for any ##x\in\mathbb{R},|x-a|<\delta##, we have
##|f(x)-f(a)|=|x\cdot f(1)-a\cdot f(1)|=|x-a|\cdot |f(1)|<\delta\cdot |f(1)|=\epsilon##.

I feel like I'm missing something...
Why? Linear functions are always continuous (maybe some weird topologies apart).
 
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Bptrhp said:
Does that mean the continuity ##\forall a \in \mathbb{R}## can be shown by epsilon-delta definition without showing continuity at ##0## first?

My attempt:
Given ##\epsilon >0##, take ##\delta = \dfrac{\epsilon } {|f(1)|}>0##, so that for any ##x\in\mathbb{R},|x-a|<\delta##, we have
##|f(x)-f(a)|=|x\cdot f(1)-a\cdot f(1)|=|x-a|\cdot |f(1)|<\delta\cdot |f(1)|=\epsilon##.

I feel like I'm missing something...
... you need to take care of the case when ##f(1) = 0##.

Alternatively, consider ##f(a + h)## as ##h \rightarrow 0##.
 
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My initial thought was to use the approach @PeroK has suggested, yet the rest of you are taking more complicated approaches. Is there some subtlety I'm missing here?
 
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PeroK said:
... you need to take care of the case when ##f(1) = 0##.
I totally forgot that!

PeroK said:
Alternatively, consider ##f(a + h)## as ##h \rightarrow 0##.
I actually considered this when I proved the continuity in ##\mathbb{R}## assuming that ##f## is continuous at 0. I've obtained:

\begin{align*}
\lim_{x\rightarrow a}f(x)=\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}f(h+a)&=\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}(f(h)+f(a))\\
&=\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}f(h)+\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}f(a) \quad (because\, both\, limits\, exist)\\
&=0+f(a)\\
&=f(a).
\end{align*}
But how should I use ##f(a+h)## as ##h\rightarrow 0## to prove continuity at ##0##? In this case, we can't assume the limit of the sum is the sum of the limits, right?
 
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Try ##x = a+h = a+h \cdot 1##.
 
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Bptrhp said:
I totally forgot that!I actually considered this when I proved the continuity in ##\mathbb{R}## assuming that ##f## is continuous at 0. I've obtained:

\begin{align*}
\lim_{x\rightarrow a}f(x)=\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}f(h+a)&=\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}(f(h)+f(a))\\
&=\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}f(h)+\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}f(a) \quad (because\, both\, limits\, exist)\\
&=0+f(a)\\
&=f(a).
\end{align*}
But how should I use ##f(a+h)## as ##h\rightarrow 0## to prove continuity at ##0##? In this case, we can't assume the limit of the sum is the sum of the limits, right?
What about simply:
$$\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}f(a + h) = \lim_{h\rightarrow 0}(f(a)+hf(1))= f(a) + f(1)\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}(h) = f(a)$$
 
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Now I get it, I was really making things more complicated than they really are! Thanks a lot!
 
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Not my sort of thing but I ask doesn't f(x+cy)=f(x)+cf(y) if true for all y imply that if f(x) is discontinuous anywhere it is discontinuous everywhere?
Is this true and is it relevant?
 
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epenguin said:
Not my sort of thing but I ask doesn't f(x+cy)=f(x)+cf(y) if true for all y imply that if f(x) is discontinuous anywhere it is discontinuous everywhere?
Is this true and is it relevant?
I think this is only true if ##f(x+y)=f(x)+f(y)##. If I understood correctly, the fact that ##f(cy)=cf(y)## makes the function continuous, but I'm not sure...
 
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