Show that G is a sigma-algebra

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The problem involves demonstrating that a specific collection of subsets, G, is a σ-algebra on a set X. The definition of a σ-algebra includes three properties that must be satisfied, and the original poster is attempting to show that G meets these criteria, particularly focusing on the inclusion of the set X itself.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the definition of G, particularly regarding the inclusion of X in G and the interpretation of the subset notation. There is confusion about whether G can include X given that it is defined as containing only proper subsets.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and properties of σ-algebras, with some participants questioning the assumptions made about the nature of subsets in G. Clarifications are being sought regarding the proper subset notation and its implications for the proof.

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Participants note potential ambiguities in the definitions and the notation used, particularly concerning the cardinality of sets and the distinction between proper and improper subsets. There is also mention of the need to verify definitions from authoritative sources.

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Homework Statement


A σ-algebra G on a set X is a family of subsets of X satisfying:

1) X[itex]\in[/itex]G
2)A[itex]\in[/itex]G => C(A)[itex]\in[/itex]G
3)Aj [itex]\subset[/itex] G => [itex]\bigcup[/itex] Aj [itex]\in[/itex] G

Show that G = {A[itex]\subset[/itex]X : #A≤N or ≠C(A)≤N}

# stands for the cardinality of the set.

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Actually I am not so far in the problem solving because I am stuck at showing the first property. We must have that X[itex]\in[/itex]G. But since G is only the set of proper subsets of X, i.e. doesn't contain X by definition, how can 1) hold?
 
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Maybe ##\subset## indicate "subset" instead of the symbol ##\subseteq##...
 
wait what? No the definition clearly states to use proper subsets.
 
Why are you trying to show the first property holds? Isn't it being given to you as part of a definition? In other words, you can assume G satisfies those three properties in trying to write your proof.
 
I see I made a mistake. I meant to write: Show that G = {A⊂X : #A≤N or ≠C(A)≤N} is a sigma-algebra on X.
 
The proper subset symbol is often used to denote improper subset so I wouldn't get too caught up in the details of what they are trying to say there.

However the typical definition of a sigma-algebra does not say that X is in G, it just says that there exists some subset A of X which is contained in G (i.e. G is not empty).
 
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However the typical definition of a sigma-algebra does not say that X is in G, it just says that there exists some subset A of X which is contained in G (i.e. G is not empty).

Yes, you're right, but if ##A\in G\implies X\setminus A\in G## so, by 3) ##A\cup (X\setminus A)= X\in G ##
 
Oops that's embarassing. Then I retract that point and am sticking with "nobody uses the proper subset symbol and means it unless they explicitly state so, so X is contained in G"
 
but what if we can't take a proper subset of G? Shouldn't we allow for the case where you have to take all of G (i.e. an improper subset) if we want the argument in #7 to hold?
 

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