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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that a point on a round membrane in space, defined by the conditions of cylindrical coordinates, satisfies specific inequalities related to its coordinates. The focus is on the theoretical aspects of the membrane's geometry and the implications of its maximum height.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the problem of showing that a point $(r, \theta, z)$ in cylindrical coordinates satisfies the conditions $$0 \leq r \leq a \ , \ \ 0 \leq \theta \leq 2 \pi \ , \ \ |z| \leq b$$.
  • Another participant calculates that $r = \sqrt{x^2+y^2}$ leads to the conclusion $0 \leq r \leq a$ and confirms that $0 \leq \theta \leq 2 \pi$ holds from the definition of cylindrical coordinates.
  • There is uncertainty expressed about how to derive the condition $|z| \leq b$, with references to the maximum coordinate $z$ of the membrane being $b$.
  • One participant elaborates on the meaning of the maximum coordinate $z$, suggesting that it is defined by the function $f(x,y)$ over the domain $x^2+y^2\le a$.
  • Another participant questions the notation $|\max_{x^2+y^2\le a} f(x,y)| = b$ versus $\max_{x^2+y^2\le a} f(x,y) = b$, seeking clarification on the use of absolute value in this context.
  • A later reply suggests that the phrase "maximum coordinate" may be a misnomer, proposing alternative terms like "maximum size of a coordinate" or "magnitude of a coordinate".

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the interpretation of the maximum coordinate $z$ and its implications, indicating that there is no consensus on the correct interpretation of the notation used.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the definitions and implications of the maximum coordinate in relation to the absolute value, as well as the assumptions underlying the function $f(x,y)$ that describes the membrane.

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Hey! :o

A round membrane in space, is over the space $x^2+y^2 \leq a^2$.

The maximum coordinate $z$ of a point of the membrane is $b$.

We suppose that $(x, y, z)$ is a point of the inclined membrane.

Show that the respective point $(r , \theta , z)$ in cylindrical coordinates satisfies the conditions $$0 \leq r \leq a \ , \ \ 0 \leq \theta \leq 2 \pi \ , \ \ |z| \leq b$$
Could you give me some hints how we could show that??
 
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I have done the following:

Using cylindrical coordinates we get $r=\sqrt{x^2+y^2}=\leq |a|$ and sonve $r \geq 0$ we have $0 \leq r \leq a$.

From the definition of cylindrincal coordinates we have that $0 \leq \theta \leq 2 \pi$,

But how do we get that $|z| \leq b$??(Wondering) By the sentence "The maximum coordinate $z$ of a point of the membrane is $b$" ?? (Wondering)
 
Hey! (Smile)

mathmari said:
I have done the following:

Using cylindrical coordinates we get $r=\sqrt{x^2+y^2}=\leq |a|$ and sonve $r \geq 0$ we have $0 \leq r \leq a$.

From the definition of cylindrincal coordinates we have that $0 \leq \theta \leq 2 \pi$,

Good! :)
But how do we get that $|z| \leq b$??(Wondering) By the sentence "The maximum coordinate $z$ of a point of the membrane is $b$" ?? (Wondering)

The sentence "The maximum coordinate $z$ of a point of the membrane is $b$" means the following.
Suppose we have a point on the membrane with coordinate $z$.
Then the size of that coordinate $z$ has a maximum of $b$.

Let the membrane be given by some function $f$ such that:
$$z=f(x,y)$$
with a domain given by $x^2+y^2\le a$.

Then:
$$\text{The maximum (size of the) coordinate z} = |\max_{x^2+y^2\le a} z| = |\max_{x^2+y^2\le a} f(x,y)| = b$$
 
I like Serena said:
The sentence "The maximum coordinate $z$ of a point of the membrane is $b$" means the following.
Suppose we have a point on the membrane with coordinate $z$.
Then the size of that coordinate $z$ has a maximum of $b$.

Let the membrane be given by some function $f$ such that:
$$z=f(x,y)$$
with a domain given by $x^2+y^2\le a$.

Then:
$$\text{The maximum (size of the) coordinate z} = |\max_{x^2+y^2\le a} z| = |\max_{x^2+y^2\le a} f(x,y)| = b$$

I haven't understood why it stands that $|\max_{x^2+y^2\le a} f(x,y)| = b$ and not $\max_{x^2+y^2\le a} f(x,y) = b$. Could you explain it to me ?? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
I haven't understood why it stands that $|\max_{x^2+y^2\le a} f(x,y)| = b$ and not $\max_{x^2+y^2\le a} f(x,y) = b$. Could you explain it to me ?? (Wondering)

It's sloppy usage of the wording "maximum coordinate".
Apparently what is intended is the "maximum size of a coordinate" or the "magnitude of a coordinate" or the "absolute value of a coordinate". (Nerd)
 

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