Show that the position operator does not preserve H

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The discussion revolves around the position operator in quantum mechanics and its effect on the preservation of the Hamiltonian operator, particularly in relation to stationary states. Participants are exploring the implications of applying the position operator to various wavefunctions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to evaluate the integral involving the position operator and wavefunctions, questioning the validity of their approaches. There is discussion about specific functions, such as ##\psi=1/x##, and whether they meet the necessary conditions for the problem. Some participants express uncertainty about the convergence of integrals and the implications of singularities in wavefunctions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various participants providing insights and suggestions for alternative wavefunctions. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning are being explored, including the properties of specific functions and their integrability.

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Participants are considering the implications of singularities in wavefunctions and the conditions under which the position operator may not preserve the Hamiltonian. There are references to the need for wavefunctions to be square integrable and the challenges posed by functions that are not defined at certain points.

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Homework Statement
Consider a Hilbert space H that consists of all functions ψ(x) such that

##\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} |\psi(x)|^2, dx##


is finite. Show that there are functions in H for which ˆxψ(x) ≡ xψ(x) is not in H.
That is to say, there are functions in H that are taken out of H when acted upon by
the position operator (or equivalently, the position operator does not preserve H)
Relevant Equations
##\int_-\infty^\infty |ψ(x)|^2\, dx##
ˆxψ(x) ≡ xψ(x)
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The attempt

##\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} |ψ^*(x)\, \hat x\,\psi(x)|\, dxˆ##

Using ˆxψ(x) ≡ xψ(x)

=##\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} |ψ^*(x)\,x\,\psi(x)|\, dxˆ##

=##\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} |ψ^*(x)\,\psi(x)\,x|\, dxˆ##

=##\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} |x\,ψ^2(x)|\, dxˆ##

I'm pretty sure this is not the correct approach. ψ(x) is a stationary right? Is it safe to attempt this using the definition of a stationary state? I apologize if I'm completely wrong, I've read the text and lecture notes but am still having a lot of trouble understanding this
 
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If I parsed your question correctly,then think of this function:
##\psi=1/x##

Does this meets hypothesis?
 
Abhishek11235 said:
If I parsed your question correctly,then think of this function:
##\psi=1/x##

Does this meets hypothesis?
I think so? If acted on by the position operator it would no longer be finite would it?
 
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Abhishek11235 said:
If I parsed your question correctly,then think of this function:
##\psi=1/x##

Does this meets hypothesis?

That function is not defined at ##x = 0##. And, the integral of ##\psi^2## does not converge in any case.
 
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Wolfram integrator is your friend. You can use integral test to have an idea what will converge. Consider e.g. Sum ## 1/ n^s ##. Edit: My idea is to use the comparison criteria: We know ##\Sigma \frac {1}{n^s}## converges for ##s>2##. Using the integral test ( and doing something to avoid the 0 in the denominator), create an integral that converges, barely, and then multiply by ##x## to tweak it out of converging.
 
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For some problem where the potential energy is singular at the origin, a wavefunction like

##\psi (x) = \frac{1}{1+\left|x\right|}##

could be a meaningful state. And even if the ##\psi## is required to be differentiable everywhere, it's possible to approximate that function with a differentiable function to any accuracy you want while having the same asymptotic behavior in the limit ##\left|x\right|\rightarrow\infty##.
 
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