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The problem involves showing that the set W = {C(x) : x is in A} is countable or finite, where A is an open subset of the interval [0, 1]. The discussion revolves around the properties of open sets and their relation to countability, particularly in the context of rational numbers.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of defining a mapping from the set W to the natural numbers and explore the relationship between elements of W and rational numbers. Questions arise about the definition of C(x) and the nature of the intervals involved.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering various perspectives on how to approach the problem. Some suggest defining mappings to rational numbers, while others question the validity of certain proposed methods. There is no explicit consensus, but several productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the properties of open sets and the density of rational numbers within the real numbers. There are hints at the need for clarity regarding the definitions and relationships among the sets involved.

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Hi, can someone please help me with this problem.

Let A be an open subset of the interval [0; 1].
1. Show that the set W = {C(x) : x is in A} is countable or finite.

This is what I have...

Suppose W is an infinite subset of N. Then we have f : W-> N, which
is one-to-one. By the fact that any infinite set contains a countable subset, then W has a countable subset E, since w is infinite. So we have a one-to-one map
g : N ~E -> W. By Cantor-Berstein-Schroeder's Th, W~N.

thanks
 
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I'm sorry, but what is C \left( x \right)?
 
Sorry, this is what I have before problem:

Let A be an open subset of the interval [0; 1]. Our goal is to show that
A =the union In where for all n in N, In is a possibly empty open interval and for
all n and k in N, if n is not equal to k then In intersect Ik = empty set We begin by defi ning a relation ~ on A by the
formula
for all x; y in A; x ~ y if and only if every number between x and y is in A:
For each z in A, we let C(z) = {t in A : t ~ z}


#1 Show that the set W = {C(x) : x is in A} is countable or finite. (Hint: For this problem it's better to think of W as W = {U : there exist x in A such that U =
C(x)}. The reason is for every element U of W will be more than one number
x for which U = C(x).)
 
Alright, well, I think it might be easier to define a mapping between these C \left( x \right) and a subset of the rational numbers. Can you think of a way to assign a unique r \in \mathbb{Q} to each U \in W?
 
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Well, the rational numbers are countable, so any open set in R is the countable union of components. But I am not sure how to write a proof...
 
Would this proof work?

let r=1/n for n=1,2,3... and {In, n in N where In is the set corresponding to r=1/n, that is In is a maximal set having the property that is greater then or equal to 1/n for any a,b in In

Let W =Un In since W is the union of countably many countable sets, W is countable.

thanks
 
Hmm, I'm afraid that doesn't quite work. Say A = \left( \frac{1}{2}, \frac{3}{4} \right) \cup \left( \frac{3}{4}, 1 \right), then what would I_{2} be?

I think it would be better to use the fact that the rational numbers are dense within the real numbers. You should be able to show that each C \left( x \right) is non-empty and open and thus contains at least one rational number, and since they are disjoint, these rational numbers must be unique.
 

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