Problem on a set which is a subset of a finite set

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The discussion revolves around proving that a set \( A \) is finite by establishing a bijection with a finite set \( I_m \). The context involves concepts from set theory and finite sets.

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  • Participants explore the validity of a proof that attempts to show \( A \) is finite by relating it to the finite set \( I_n \). There are discussions about the assumptions made in the proof and the potential application of inclusion/exclusion principles.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the validity of the proof and examining the assumptions involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for clarity on definitions and theorems relevant to the problem.

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Prove that if ##n \in \mathbb{N}## and ##A \subseteq I_n##, then ##A## is finite and ##|A|\leq n ##. Furthermore, if ##A \ne I_n##, then ##|A| < n##. We are given that
$$ I_n = \big \{ i \in \mathbb{Z}^+ | i \leq n \big \} $$
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Definition of a finite set and definition of bijections
Here is my attempt. Since we have to prove that ##A## is finite, we need to prove that there exists some ##m \in \mathbb{N}##, such that there is a bijection from ##A## to ##I_m##. And hence we have ##A \thicksim I_m##. Now, since there are ##n## elements in ##I_n##, number of elements in ##A## are less than or equal to ##n##. So, we have ## |A|\leq n ##. Let, ##|A| = m##. Now, we can construct a function from ##A## to ##I_n##, such that ##m## elements in ##A## are paired with first ##m## members in ##I_n##. And, we see that the first ##m## members in ##I_n## is the set ##I_m##. So, the function would be one to one and onto and hence we have ##A \thicksim I_m##. Which proves that ##A## is a finite set. Furthermore, if ##A \ne I_n##, then ##A## is a strict subset of ##I_n## and ##A## would have less number of elements than ##I_n##. So, we have ##|A| < n##. Is the proof valid ?

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I don't know if you're allowed to use this but I think inclusion/exclusion would do it since it applies to finite sets.
 
WWGD, thanks, but is the proof presented here valid ?
 
This is a tricky issue because it depends on all the definitions, results and theorems available to you. Still, from what I have read, it seems you're assuming what you want to prove: ( bold is mine).

"Here is my attempt. Since we have to prove that A is finite, we need to prove that there exists some m∈N, such that there is a bijection from A to Im. And hence we have A∼Im. Now, since there are n elements in In, number of elements in A are less than or equal to n"
 
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