Show that two rings are not isomorphic

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the rings 2ℤ and 3ℤ are not isomorphic. Participants are exploring the properties of ring isomorphisms and the implications of assuming such an isomorphism exists.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the challenge of proving non-isomorphism, with some suggesting to assume an isomorphism and explore the consequences. Others raise questions about the implications of ring homomorphisms and the properties that must hold under such mappings.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing thoughts on potential contradictions arising from the assumption of an isomorphism. Some guidance has been offered regarding the exploration of properties that must be preserved under ring homomorphisms.

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There appears to be a lack of clarity on how to formally demonstrate the absence of an isomorphism, as indicated by the original poster's uncertainty. The discussion includes humorous commentary that may reflect the participants' engagement with the topic.

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Homework Statement


Show that the rings ##2 \mathbb{Z}## and ##3 \mathbb{Z}## are not isomorphic.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I know how to show that two structures are isomorphic: find an isomorphism. However, I am not quite sure how to show that there exists no isomorphism at all
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:

Homework Statement


Show that the rings ##2 \mathbb{Z}## and ##3 \mathbb{Z}## are not isomorphic.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I know how to show that two structures are isomorphic: find an isomorphism. However, I am not quite sure how to show that there exists no isomorphism at all
I don't have any help for you but I have to comment that your post gave me a chuckle because my son and I were just recently discussing a linguistic phenomenon that I noticed some time ago. I make no representation that I know what YOU mean, but I know what I mean, and what most people mean with the following construct:

"I don't exactly know how to ... " or "I don't quite know how to ... " generally means "I don't have even the tiniest clue how to and in fact I'm not even sure how to spell it" :biggrin:
 
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Assume they were isomorphic and consider the consequences, or try to find a ring homomorphism by defining ##\varphi (2) = 3x## for some integer ##x## and see if you run into contradictions.
 
Suppose, for a contradiction, a ring isomorphism f :2\mathbb{Z}\to3\mathbb{Z} existed. Then f(2) = 3m for some m\in\mathbb{Z}.
Since f respects addition and multiplication, then f(2)+f(2) =f(2+2) =f(4)= f(2\cdot 2)=f(2)\cdot f(2). But this is a problem. Can you explain, why?
 
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