Theorem of Finitely Generated Abelian Groups

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The discussion revolves around the isomorphism of two groups, ##\mathbb{Z}_8 \times \mathbb{Z}_{10} \times \mathbb{Z}_{24}## and ##\mathbb{Z}_4 \times \mathbb{Z}_{12} \times \mathbb{Z}_{40}##, within the context of the Theorem of Finitely Generated Abelian Groups.

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  • The original poster attempts to decompose the groups into direct products of cyclic groups and questions the validity of this approach regarding isomorphism.
  • Some participants suggest examining the addition tables of smaller groups to identify differences that prevent isomorphism.
  • Others propose looking for algebraic features that distinguish the two groups.

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The discussion is exploring various methods to determine isomorphism, including examining group properties and constructing addition tables. Participants are actively questioning assumptions and considering different approaches without reaching a consensus.

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There is an emphasis on understanding the implications of group structure and properties, particularly regarding the number of elements of certain orders within the groups being analyzed.

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Are the groups ##\mathbb{Z}_8 \times \mathbb{Z}_{10} \times \mathbb{Z}_{24}## and ##\mathbb{Z}_4 \times \mathbb{Z}_{12} \times \mathbb{Z}_{40}## isomorphic? Why or why not?

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I think I am misunderstanding the Theorem of Finitely Generated Abelian Groups, because to me it seems that we can just decompose each direct product into ##\mathbb{Z}_2 \times \mathbb{Z}_2 \times \mathbb{Z}_2 \times \mathbb{Z}_2 \times \mathbb{Z}_2 \times \mathbb{Z}_2 \times \mathbb{Z}_2 \times \mathbb{Z}_3 \times \mathbb{Z}_5##, and so they are isomorphic. Why can't this be done, and why are they not isomorphic?
 
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Start small and simple. Draw up an addition table for ##\mathbb Z_4## and another for ##\mathbb Z_2\oplus\mathbb Z_2## and observe how they differ, preventing isomorphism.
 
andrewkirk said:
Start small and simple. Draw up an addition table for ##\mathbb Z_4## and another for ##\mathbb Z_2\oplus\mathbb Z_2## and observe how they differ, preventing isomorphism.
Oh right, because ##\mathbb{Z}_2 \times \mathbb{Z}_2## is isomorphic to the Klein-4 group, and the not ##\mathbb{Z}_4##.

So then how can I answer whether the two groups that I have are isomorphic in general?
 
One way to prove non-isomorphism is to look for an algebraic feature of one group that the other group does not have.
One way to prove isomorphism is to construct an isomorphism between the two.

You might try looking at the number of elements of order 8 in each of the two groups.
 
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