Show the drift velocity is ExB/B^2

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating the drift velocity of a charged particle in the presence of uniform electric and magnetic fields, specifically focusing on the relationship expressed as vd = (E×B)/B². The original poster presents their initial reasoning and calculations regarding the forces acting on the particle.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of assuming a two-dimensional drift and question the necessity of this assumption. There is discussion about the nature of motion in a third dimension and its relation to drift velocity.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing insights into the dimensionality of the drift and its implications. Some guidance has been offered regarding the simplifications that arise from assuming two-dimensional motion, but there is no explicit consensus on the definitions and implications of drift velocity.

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Participants note the distinction between drift and other types of motion, particularly in three dimensions, and discuss the conventions surrounding the term "drift." There is an acknowledgment of the complexities introduced by additional dimensions in the context of the problem.

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A charged particle drifts in uniform, constant magnetic and electric fields. The electric field, E, is perpendicular to the magnetic field, B.

Show that the drift velocity is given by vd = (E×B)/B2

Heres where I get to:
F=e(E+vxB)=0 as v is uniform.Therefore E+vxB=0.

Take vector product of B with both sides.

BxE +Bx(vxB)=0.

Using identity Ax(BxC) = B(A.C)-C(A.B)

I get BxE+v(B.B)-B(B.v)=0
Then I don't know where to go from here.
 
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You can assume that the drift happens in two dimensions, so you can say something about the relative direction of v and B which simplifies (B.v).
In three dimensions the total velocity does not have to follow the initial equation, so you need that assumption.
 
mfb said:
You can assume that the drift happens in two dimensions, so you can say something about the relative direction of v and B which simplifies (B.v).
In three dimensions the total velocity does not have to follow the initial equation, so you need that assumption.
Why are you allowed to assume the drift is in two dimensions though?
 
The component in the third dimension is not a drift.
 
mfb said:
The component in the third dimension is not a drift.
Would that be an acceleration then?
 
A motion in the third direction would stop quickly in matter. In vacuum, the charged particle could freely keep moving in that direction, without influencing the two-dimensional motion in the other directions.
 
mfb said:
A motion in the third direction would stop quickly in matter. In vacuum, the charged particle could freely keep moving in that direction, without influencing the two-dimensional motion in the other directions.
Can I ask what it means by a drift velocity then?
 
The velocity in the two-dimensional plane I mentioned.
 
mfb said:
The velocity in the two-dimensional plane I mentioned.
yes but what does it specifically mean by 'drift'. You said the velocity in the 3rd dimension is not a drift.
 
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I guess it is just convention to call that drift.
 

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