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The discussion revolves around the uniqueness of a line defined by two distinct points in the Cartesian plane, specifically in the context of the equation Ax + By + C = 0. Participants explore the implications of scalar multiples of coefficients in determining whether two lines are indeed the same line.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants examine the relationship between the coefficients A, B, C and their scalar multiples, questioning whether this indicates that the lines represented by these equations are identical. There is also discussion about the implications of the coordinates of the points remaining unchanged.

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Some participants have offered insights regarding the nature of lines and their representations through equations, while others are seeking further justification for their reasoning about the uniqueness of the line. The conversation reflects a mix of agreement on certain points and ongoing inquiry into the underlying concepts.

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Participants are operating under the assumption that the points (a, b) and (c, d) are fixed and that the equations represent lines in a two-dimensional space. There is an emphasis on understanding the implications of scalar multiplication in the context of line equations.

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Homework Statement


Suppose (a,b) and (c,d) are unique points in ##\mathbb{R}^{2}## that satisfy Ax+By+C=0. Suppose also that the solutions of Ax+By+C=0 form a line. Then the line that (a,b) and (c,d) lie on is unique.

Homework Equations


I showed in a previous part of the problem that there exists real numbers A,B,C not all equal to 0 that satisfy Aa+Bb+C=0 and Ac+Bd+C=0. I also showed that if A',B',C' were also nontrivial solutions that satisfied the two equations then A',B',C' were scalar multiples of A,B,C.

The Attempt at a Solution


Suppose that (a,b) and (c,d) are unique points that satisfy Ax+By+C=0. Suppose also that the set of solutions of Ax+By+C=0 forms a line that is not unique so there exists another equation such that A'x+B'y+C'=0 but we previously showed that A',B',C' must be scalar multiples of A,B,C so the two lines are actually the same. Hence the line that (a,b) and (c,d) lie on is unique.

I thought that since A',B',C' were scalar multiples of A,B,C then the new equation was just a stretched version of the older line so they must be the same line. Is this logic correct?
 
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DeadOriginal said:

Homework Statement


Suppose (a,b) and (c,d) are unique points in ##\mathbb{R}^{2}## that satisfy Ax+By+C=0. Suppose also that the solutions of Ax+By+C=0 form a line. Then the line that (a,b) and (c,d) lie on is unique.


Homework Equations


I showed in a previous part of the problem that there exists real numbers A,B,C not all equal to 0 that satisfy Aa+Bb+C=0 and Ac+Bd+C=0. I also showed that if A',B',C' were also nontrivial solutions that satisfied the two equations then A',B',C' were scalar multiples of A,B,C.


The Attempt at a Solution


Suppose that (a,b) and (c,d) are unique points that satisfy Ax+By+C=0. Suppose also that the set of solutions of Ax+By+C=0 forms a line that is not unique so there exists another equation such that A'x+B'y+C'=0 but we previously showed that A',B',C' must be scalar multiples of A,B,C so the two lines are actually the same. Hence the line that (a,b) and (c,d) lie on is unique.

I thought that since A',B',C' were scalar multiples of A,B,C then the new equation was just a stretched version of the older line so they must be the same line. Is this logic correct?

Assuming you've shown this :

we previously showed that A',B',C' must be scalar multiples of A,B,C so the two lines are actually the same

Then yes, the trick would be to assume that the line was not unique and that there are two lines. Then showing the two lines are the same shows that the original line must be unique.
 
Does A',B',C' being scalar multiples of A,B,C show that we are dealing with the same lines or should I be further justifying this?
 
DeadOriginal said:
Does A',B',C' being scalar multiples of A,B,C show that we are dealing with the same lines or should I be further justifying this?

If you aren't changing the actual location of the coordinates ##(a,b)## and ##(c,d)##, then the scalar line is a stretched version of the original line. So therefore they are the same line and pass through the same points, it's just one is longer than the other.
 
Ah! Cool. Thanks.
 
Zondrina said:
If you aren't changing the actual location of the coordinates ##(a,b)## and ##(c,d)##, then the scalar line is a stretched version of the original line. So therefore they are the same line and pass through the same points, it's just one is longer than the other.
Well, you wouldn't say "one is longer than the other" because lines, as opposed to line segments, so not have a "length".
 
HallsofIvy said:
Well, you wouldn't say "one is longer than the other" because lines, as opposed to line segments, so not have a "length".

Would it be appropriate to say that one line is a stretched version of another?
 

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