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The discussion revolves around applying the Intermediate Value Theorem (IVT) to demonstrate the existence of a cylinder with a specific volume that matches that of a cone, both having the same height but different radii. The conversation includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of the theorem's implications in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the IVT can be used to show the existence of a cylinder with volume equal to that of a cone, providing the formulas for both volumes.
  • Another participant challenges the initial claim regarding the relationship of the curves representing the volumes, suggesting a misunderstanding of their positions relative to the y-axis.
  • A third participant prompts consideration of the volumes of cylinders at specific radii (0 and r) to clarify the application of the IVT.
  • One participant confirms the volumes of the cylinder at the endpoints of the interval and acknowledges the infinite values of k between these volumes, expressing confusion about finding a specific k that satisfies the condition.
  • Another participant agrees that there are infinite values between the two volumes and identifies one specific value that corresponds to the volume of the cone, reinforcing the application of the IVT.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of the IVT and the relationships between the volumes of the cylinder and cone. There is no consensus on how to proceed with the problem or the implications of the IVT in this scenario.

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Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the application of the IVT, particularly in relation to the specific values of k and the conditions of the intervals being discussed.

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Use the Intermediate Value Theorem to show that there is a cylinder of height h and radius less than r whose volume is equal to that of a cone of height h and radius r.
IVT states that: if f is continuous on a closed interval [a,b] and k is any number between f(a) and f(b), inclusive, then there is at least one number x in the interval [a,b] such that f(x)=k.
The volume of the cylinder is [tex]\pi x^2h[/tex] and the volume of the cone is [tex]\frac{\pi}{3} r^2h[/tex], where x< r. If r > x then, the curve [tex]\frac{\pi}{3} r^2h[/tex] is streched more than the curve [tex]\pi x^2h[/tex], i.e it is closer to the y-axis than the curve [\pi x^2h[/tex], so I cannot find k. And is not a<0 and b>r? Then f(a)<0 and f(b)>f(r)?I am studing this on my own. Please help. Thanks.
 
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I don't see how y=x^2/3 is closer to the y-axis than y=x^2? It's the other way around

and if you haven't solved the problem,
look at the interval [0,r]
 
As you say, a cone of height h and radius r has volume [itex]\frac{1}{3}\pi r^2 h[/itex].

What is the volume of a cylinder of height h and radius 0? What is the volume of a cylinder of height h and radius r? Now, what does the intermediate value theorem tell you?
 
The volume of the cylinder is 0 and [tex]\pi r^2h[/tex] respectively. I think you mean that f(a)=0 and [tex]f(b)= \pi r^2h[/tex]. In that case surely there is an infinite number of values that k can have between f(a) and f(b). But we only want one value of k such that the volume of the cylinder equals the volume of the cone. I just don't understand yet.
 
Yes, there are an infinite number of values between 0 and [itex]\pi h r^2[/itex].

And one of them is [itex](1/3)\pi h r^2[/itex]!

The intermediate value theorem tells you that as [itex]\rho[/itex] goes from 0 to r [itex]\pi h \rho^2[/itex] takes on all values between 0 and [itex]\pi h r^2[/itex].
 

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