Showing Delta^3(p-q) is Not Lorentz Invariant

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the delta function ##\delta^{3}(\vec{p}-\vec{q})## is not Lorentz invariant. Participants explore the implications of Lorentz transformations on the delta function, particularly focusing on the mathematical steps involved in transforming the delta function under boosts in momentum space.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a transformation of the delta function using the identity ##\delta(f(x)-f(x_{0})) = \frac{1}{|f'(x_{0})|}\delta(x-x_{0})##, leading to confusion about the derivation of the term ##\frac{dp'_{3}}{dp_{3}}##.
  • Another participant suggests thinking of ##p'## as a function of ##p##, indicating that the term ##\frac{dp'_{3}}{dp_{3}}## can be interpreted as ##1/|f'(x_0)|##.
  • A later reply proposes that the transformation leads to the expression $$\delta^{3}(\vec{p}-\vec{q}) = \delta^{3}(\vec{p'}-\vec{q'})\frac{E'}{E}$$ and questions whether the derivative should be evaluated at ##q_{3}##.
  • One participant emphasizes that the delta function manipulations are valid within the theory of distributions and that shorthand notation is often used in practice.
  • Another participant asserts that evaluating the derivative at ##q_{3}## is unnecessary, suggesting a focus on proving the relevant formula for delta functions instead.
  • Discussion includes the importance of working with on-shell particles and the implications for momentum-space volume elements, noting that certain expressions can be treated as Lorentz scalars.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of evaluating the derivative at ##q_{3}##, with some asserting it is required and others stating it is not. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of the transformation steps and the implications of the delta function identity.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the theory of distributions and the need for rigorous integral expressions when dealing with delta functions, indicating that some steps may rely on assumptions about the context of the discussion.

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From page 22 of P&S we want to show that ##\delta^{3}(\vec{p}-\vec{q})## is not Lorentz invariant. Boosting in the 3-direction gives ##p_{3}' = \gamma(p_{3}+\beta E)## and ##E' = \gamma(E+\beta p_{3})##. Using the delta function identity ##\delta(f(x)-f(x_{0})) = \frac{1}{|f'(x_{0})|}\delta(x-x_{0}),## we get $$\delta^{3}(\vec{p}-\vec{q}) = \delta^{3}(\vec{p'}-\vec{q'}) \frac{dp'_{3}}{dp_{3}}.$$

This is where I am confused, how is this step arrived at? From what I can see we have
$$\delta^{3}(\vec{p'}-\vec{q'}) = \delta(p_{1}-q_{1})\delta(p_{2}-q_{2})\delta( \gamma((p_{3}-q_{3})+\beta (E_{p}-E_{q})).$$

We can further write $$\delta( \gamma((p_{3}-q_{3})+\beta (E_{p}-E_{q}))) = \delta((p_{3}-q_{3})+\beta (E_{p}-E_{q}))/\gamma.$$

From here I don't see how to transform ##\delta((p_{3}-q_{3})+\beta (E_{p}-E_{q}))/\gamma## into the form ##\delta(p_{3}-q_{3})\frac{dp_{3}}{dp'_{3}}.##

Any ideas on how to go about this? Thanks!
 
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TroyElliott said:
[...] delta function identity ##\delta(f(x)-f(x_{0})) = \frac{1}{|f'(x_{0})|}\delta(x-x_{0}),## we get $$\delta^{3}(\vec{p}-\vec{q}) = \delta^{3}(\vec{p'}-\vec{q'}) \frac{dp'_{3}}{dp_{3}}.$$This is where I am confused, how is this step arrived at?
Think of ##p'## as a function of ##p##. I.e., substitute ##f(x) \to p'(p)## and ##f(x_0) \to p'(q)##. Then the ##\frac{dp'_{3}}{dp_{3}}## is essentially just the term ##1/|f'(x_0)|##.

HTH.
 
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strangerep said:
Think of ##p'## as a function of ##p##. I.e., substitute ##f(x) \to p'(p)## and ##f(x_0) \to p'(q)##. Then the ##\frac{dp'_{3}}{dp_{3}}## is essentially just the term ##1/|f'(x_0)|##.

HTH.
Thanks!

So taking this route we end up with $$\delta^{3}(\vec{p}-\vec{q}) = \delta^{3}(\vec{p'}-\vec{q'})\frac{E'}{E},$$

where the ##\frac{dp'_{3}}{dp_{3}}## term became ##\frac{E'}{E}.## When using the Dirac delta identity above, we should technically evaluate ##\frac{dp'_{3}}{dp_{3}}## at ##q_{3}##, right? Does this not need to be explicitly done since we are dealing with a delta function, which will force ##p_{3} ## to equal ##q_{3}## when integrated?

Thank you very much.
 
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TroyElliott said:
When using the Dirac delta identity above, we should technically evaluate ##\frac{dp'_{3}}{dp_{3}}## at ##q_{3}##, right? Does this not need to be explicitly done since we are dealing with a delta function, which will force ##p_{3} ## to equal ##q_{3}## when integrated?
Strictly speaking, all that delta fn stuff only makes sense in the context of the theory of distributions (aka generalized functions). But after a relation involving delta fns is established using rigorous integral expressions, most people just use shorthand notation, sans integrals.
 
I think it's most easily to see considering momentum-space volume elements ##\mathrm{d}^3 p##. It's important to note that we deal with "on-shell particles" for the asymptotic free states, i.e., ##p^0=E_{\vec{p}}=\sqrt{\vec{p}^2+m^2}##. This means you can effectively work with functions dependent on four-momentum with the on-shell constraint understood. Then you can consider the invariant (under proper orthochronous Poincare transformation)
$$\mathrm{d}^4 p \Theta(p^0) \delta(p^2-m^2)=\frac{\mathrm{d^3} p}{2E_{\vec{p}}},$$
which implies that
$$\delta^{(3)}(\vec{p}-\vec{p}') E_{\vec{p}}$$
is a Lorentz scalar.
 
strangerep said:
Strictly speaking, all that delta fn stuff only makes sense in the context of the theory of distributions (aka generalized functions). But after a relation involving delta fns is established using rigorous integral expressions, most people just use shorthand notation, sans integrals.

I still do not fully understand your answer and do not see how it answers the question. SO do we need to evaluate the derivate at ##q_3##?
 
realanswers said:
I still do not fully understand your answer and do not see how it answers the question. So do we need to evaluate the derivate at ##q_3##?
No.

If you want to work through this properly, start by proving formula (2.34), i.e.,
$$\delta\Big( f(x) - f(x_0) \Big) ~=~ \frac{1}{|f'(x)|} \; \delta( x - x_0)
~=~ \frac{1}{|f'(x_0)|} \; \delta( x - x_0) ~,$$where I have given you an extra hint by showing the middle step (which is all you really need here to perform the computation at the top of p23).

Btw, the ##|\dots|## should be seen as the modulus of a Jacobian -- this is necessary in general for the multivariate case.
 
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