Showing that a three-dimensional vector field is conservative

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The discussion revolves around determining whether the vector field \(\mathbf{F} = (z^2 + 2xy, x^2, 2xz)\) is conservative by finding a potential function. Participants are exploring the relationships between the components of the vector field and the potential function's derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to integrate the components of the vector field to find a potential function. There are discussions about the correctness of the integration steps and the resulting expressions for the potential function. Some participants question the derivatives taken and the assumptions made regarding the terms in the potential function.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing corrections and adjustments to previous attempts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the implications of the derivatives and the nature of the function \(g(y,z)\). There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the components of the vector field and the potential function.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the extent of guidance provided. There are indications of confusion regarding the integration process and the resulting expressions, which are being clarified through discussion.

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Alright, so the field is [tex]\mathbf{F} = (z^2 + 2xy,x^2,2xz)[/tex]
it's a gradient only when [tex]f_x = z^2 + 2xy[/tex], [tex]f_y = x^2[/tex] and [tex]f_z = 2xz[/tex]
integrate the first equation with respect to x to get [tex]f(x,y,z) = \int z^2 +2xy\,dx = xz^2 + x^2y + g(y,z)[/tex]
now, [tex]f_z(x,y,z) = g_z(y,x)[/tex] which is 2xz
integrate that with respect to z, [tex]g(y,z) = \int 2xz\,dz = xz^2 + h(y)[/tex]
plug that into our previous expression [tex]f(x,y,z) = xz^2 + x^2y + g(y,z) = 2xz^2 + x^2y + h(y)[/tex]
derive that with respect to y for [tex]f_y(x,y,z) = x^2 + h'(y) = x^2[/tex]
so [tex]h'(y) = 0[/tex] and [tex]h(y) = c[/tex] and we can set [tex]c = 0[/tex] and now the potential function is [tex]f(x,y,z) = 2xz^2 + x^2y[/tex] which is wrong. It should be [tex]f(x,y,z) = xz^2 + x^2y[/tex]. Help me please. Sorry if my LaTeX is wonky.
 
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CactuarEnigma said:
Alright, so the field is [tex]\mathbf{F} = (z^2 + 2xy,x^2,2xz)[/tex]
it's a gradient only when [tex]f_x = z^2 + 2xy[/tex], [tex]f_y = x^2[/tex] and [tex]f_z = 2xz[/tex]
integrate the first equation with respect to x to get [tex]f(x,y,z) = \int z^2 +2xy\,dx = xz^2 + z^2y + g(y,z)[/tex]
no...the second term is x^2y
 
CactuarEnigma said:
Alright, so the field is [tex]\mathbf{F} = (z^2 + 2xy,x^2,2xz)[/tex]
it's a gradient only when [tex]f_x = z^2 + 2xy[/tex], [tex]f_y = x^2[/tex] and [tex]f_z = 2xz[/tex]
integrate the first equation with respect to x to get [tex]f(x,y,z) = \int z^2 +2xy\,dx = xz^2 + z^2y + g(y,z)[/tex]
now, [tex]f_z(x,y,z) = g_z(y,x)[/tex] which is 2xz
integrate that with respect to z, [tex]g(y,z) = \int 2xz\,dz = xz^2 + h(y)[/tex]
plug that into our previous expression [tex]f(x,y,z) = xz^2 + z^2y + g(y,z) = 2xz^2 + z^2y + h(y)[/tex]
derive that with respect to y for [tex]F_y(x,y,z) = x^2 + h'(y) = x^2[/tex]
No, your derivative is wrong. should be z^2 + h'
 
Hold on, I'm trying to fix what I typed, as it doesn't match my paper here... alright, fixing the first thing fixed the second thing, so now this reflects how I did the problem.
 
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CactuarEnigma said:
Alright, so the field is [tex]\mathbf{F} = (z^2 + 2xy,x^2,2xz)[/tex]
it's a gradient only when [tex]f_x = z^2 + 2xy[/tex], [tex]f_y = x^2[/tex] and [tex]f_z = 2xz[/tex]
integrate the first equation with respect to x to get [tex]f(x,y,z) = \int z^2 +2xy\,dx = xz^2 + x^2y + g(y,z)[/tex]
now, [tex]f_z(x,y,z) = g_z(y,x)[/tex] which is 2xz
no. Look at your f(x,y,z). f_z is 2xz + g_z
 
nrqed said:
no. Look at your f(x,y,z). f_z is 2xz + g_z
So then what do you do from there? f_z = 2xz + g_z and we know that f_z = 2xz so that g_z = 0 and g = h(y), is that right? That would give the right answer.
 
CactuarEnigma said:
So then what do you do from there? f_z = 2xz + g_z and we know that f_z = 2xz so that g_z = 0 and g = h(y), is that right? That would give the right answer.
yes..
You are done. the derivative with respect to y of f must give x^2. But now you know that f= xz^2 + x^2 y + h(y) so this shows that h is a constant.
You are done.
 

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