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The discussion revolves around proving a 1-1 correspondence between two countably infinite sets, A and B. Participants explore the properties of mappings from the natural numbers to these sets and the implications of bijections.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the existence of mappings f and g that are 1-1 and onto for sets A and B, respectively. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of these mappings and the implications of their properties. There is also exploration of the composition of functions and how it relates to establishing a bijection.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confusion about the statements made regarding the mappings, particularly concerning the uniqueness of images under the mappings. Others suggest clarifying the definitions and relationships between the mappings to ensure a proper understanding of the correspondence.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of accurately expressing the relationships between elements of ℕ, A, and B, as well as the necessity of ensuring that the mappings reflect the intended bijective properties.

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Homework Statement


Suppose A and B are both countably infinite sets. Prove there is a 1-1 correspondence between A and B.


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The Attempt at a Solution



Since A is countably infinite, there exists a mapping f such that f maps ℕto A that is 1-1 and onto.

Similarly for B, there exists a mapping g such that g maps ℕto B that is 1-1 and onto.

Since g is 1-1 and onto, g^-1 exists and g^-1 maps B into ℕ

Hence g^-1(b)=n for all b in B.

Since f(n)=a for all n in ℕ, then f(g^-1(b))=a for all b in B since g^-1(b) yields its corresponding number from ℕ.

Since f and g are bijective, we can define h as a mapping from B to A by h(b)=a for all b in B by using the ordering created by the mapping g.

Does this make sense?
 
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k3k3 said:

Homework Statement


Suppose A and B are both countably infinite sets. Prove there is a 1-1 correspondence between A and B.

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



Since A is countably infinite, there exists a mapping f such that f maps ℕto A that is 1-1 and onto.

Similarly for B, there exists a mapping g such that g maps ℕto B that is 1-1 and onto.

Since g is 1-1 and onto, g^-1 exists and g^-1 maps B into ℕ
Everything is fine up to this point.

Hence g^-1(b)=n for all b in B.
What is n?

Since f(n)=a for all n in ℕ,
What? This means that f is a constant function, certainly not a bijection.

You have the right idea, but you aren't expressing it correctly.

f is a 1-1 mapping of N onto A
g is a 1-1 mapping of N onto B

You seek a 1-1 mapping of A onto B. What is that mapping, and how do you know that it is 1-1 and onto?
 
k3k3 said:

Homework Statement


Suppose A and B are both countably infinite sets. Prove there is a 1-1 correspondence between A and B.

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



Since A is countably infinite, there exists a mapping f such that f maps ℕto A that is 1-1 and onto.

Similarly for B, there exists a mapping g such that g maps ℕto B that is 1-1 and onto.

Since g is 1-1 and onto, g^-1 exists and g^-1 maps B into ℕ

Hence g^-1(b)=n for all b in B.

Since f(n)=a for all n in ℕ, then f(g^-1(b))=a for all b in B since g^-1(b) yields its corresponding number from ℕ.

Since f and g are bijective, we can define h as a mapping from B to A by h(b)=a for all b in B by using the ordering created by the mapping g.

Does this make sense?
Not really.

At least three of your statements say something other than what you probably intended.

"Hence g^-1(b)=n for all b in B." says every b in B gets mapped to the same n in ℕ.

Similarly, "Since f(n)=a for all n in ℕ" says that all of the elements of ℕ get mapped to the same element of A.

Also, "then f(g^-1(b))=a for all b in B" says that all of the elements of B get mapped to one single element of A.

It should be enough to note that since g is a bijection, then so is g-1. Then since f and g-1 are bijections, so is f○g-1.
 
n is supposed to be some n in ℕ. What ever it is mapped to.

I think the mapping is the composite function f(g^-1(n)) and since f and g are 1-1 and onto, the composite function is too.
 
I am trying to say that f(some n) = some unique a when I say "f(n)=a". Should I say that for all a in A and n in ℕ?
 
k3k3 said:
I am trying to say that f(some n) = some unique a when I say "f(n)=a". Should I say that for all a in A and n in ℕ?
What you want to say is covered by the composition, of f with g-1 being a bijection.

Otherwise:
Each element of ℕ is the image of exactly one element of B.

etc.​
would be OK, I suppose.
 
Here is my revised argument:

Since A is countably infinite, there exists a mapping f such that f maps ℕto A that is 1-1 and onto.
Similarly for B, there exists a mapping g such that g maps ℕto B that is 1-1 and onto.

Since g is 1-1 and onto, g-1 exists and g-1 is 1-1 and onto and maps B into ℕ.

Then for every element of ℕ, there exists exactly one b that it is the image of.
Hence there exists a b in B such that g-1(b)=n for some n in ℕ

Using g-1 in f creates the 1-1 correspondence from A to B.

Therefore f○g-1 is a bijective mapping from A to B.
 

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