Significance of the solution of the Euler-Lagrange equation

In summary, the conversation discusses the use of Lagrangian mechanics in solving equations of motion for simple pendulums or projectiles. The conversation also touches on the significance of the solution and the correct formulation of the Lagrangian, which is equivalent to the original formulation due to an additive constant. The conversation also highlights the importance of correctly defining the kinetic energy in polar coordinates.
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on applying the Euler Lagrange equation onto a system what exactly are you solving for and what is the significance of the solution you get?
I am new to Lagrangian mechanics and I have gone through basic examples of solving the Euler Lagrange equation for simple pendulums or projectiles and things like that. But I am unable to understand what we are exactly solving the equation for or what is the significance of the differential equation you end up with.

for example, if you consider a simple pendulum of mass m and length l
you get the lagrangian as $$L = (1/2)(mgl)\dot \theta^2 - mgl + mglcos\theta$$
and finally solving the Euler Lagrange equation gives you $$ 0 = \ddot \theta + (g\theta)/l$$
what is the significance of this solution?
 
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You obtain the equations of motion, but I don't think your Lagrangian for this example is correct (even though you somehow got the right answer :wink:)? Shouldn't it be, up to an additive constant,$$\mathcal{L} = T - V = \frac{1}{2}ml^2 \dot{\theta}^2 + mgl\cos{\theta}$$Then for the single generalised coordinate ##\theta##,$$\frac{d}{dt} \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \dot{\theta}} = \frac{d}{dt} ml^2 \dot{\theta} = ml^2 \ddot{\theta}$$ $$\frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \theta} = -mgl \sin{\theta}$$So the equation of motion is$$ml^2 \ddot{\theta} + mgl\sin{\theta} = 0$$If you take the small angle approximation,$$\ddot{\theta} = -\frac{g}{l} \theta$$That's SHM with ##\omega = \sqrt{\frac{g}{l}}## which is exactly what you'd get with forces.
 
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You obtain the equations of motion, but I don't think your Lagrangian for this example is correct (even though you somehow got the right answer :wink:)?
my bad shouldn't it be $$L = (1/2)(ml^2)\dot \theta^2 - mgl(1 - cos\theta)$$
 
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Sure, but it's equivalent to @etotheipi 's, because it just differs by a constant.
 
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It doesn't matter whether you take the zero of potential energy to be at the bottom of the swing or at the hinge, because that amounts to an additive constant, which doesn't change the equations of motion.

Your kinetic energy is now correct; notice that in polar coordinates the velocity is ##\vec{v} = r\dot{\theta} \hat{\theta} + \dot{r}\hat{r}##, and since the motion is constrained to be circular, ##\dot{r} = 0## and ##r = l##, so ##\vec{v} \cdot \vec{v} = l^2 \dot{\theta}^2##
 
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1. What is the Euler-Lagrange equation?

The Euler-Lagrange equation is a mathematical equation that is used to find the minimum or maximum value of a functional, which is a function that takes in other functions as inputs. It is commonly used in the field of calculus of variations to find the path or function that minimizes or maximizes a certain quantity.

2. Why is the solution of the Euler-Lagrange equation significant?

The solution of the Euler-Lagrange equation is significant because it provides a way to find the optimal path or function for a given problem. This is useful in many fields, including physics, engineering, and economics, where finding the optimal solution is crucial for solving real-world problems.

3. How is the Euler-Lagrange equation derived?

The Euler-Lagrange equation is derived by using the calculus of variations, which involves taking the derivative of the functional with respect to the function being optimized. This results in a differential equation, which is then solved to find the optimal solution.

4. What are some applications of the Euler-Lagrange equation?

The Euler-Lagrange equation has many applications in various fields, such as mechanics, optics, and control theory. It is used to find the path of a particle in a conservative force field, the path of light in an optical system, and the optimal control for a system with constraints, among others.

5. Are there any limitations to the Euler-Lagrange equation?

While the Euler-Lagrange equation is a powerful tool for finding optimal solutions, it does have some limitations. It is only applicable to problems that can be described by a functional, and it may not always provide a unique solution. Additionally, it may not be applicable to problems with non-differentiable functions or those with multiple constraints.

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