Simple Acceleration-Distance runner problem doesn't self-check

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The discussion centers on a physics problem involving a runner who accelerates over the last 200 meters of a race. The runner starts at a speed of 6 m/s and accelerates at 0.2 m/s², ultimately reaching 10 m/s. The initial calculations suggest a time of 20 seconds for the last 200 meters, but the distance calculation yields only 160 meters instead of the required 200 meters. The discrepancy arises from the interpretation of when the runner begins to accelerate, indicating that the problem statement may be ambiguous.

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Hi Folks: I am puzzled by this problem; there must be something wrong but I can't see what...

1. The problem statement: "A runner enters the last 200 m of a race running 6 m/s. She accelerates at 0.2 m/s2 &crosses the finish line at 10 m/s. What is her time for the last 200 m?"

2. Homework Equations : "(HINT: use V-V0=a*t to find time. Then use X = Vo*t + 0.5*a*t^2 to get t)."


The Attempt at a Solution

:
V-V0=a*t --> 10-6=0.2*t --> 4=0.2*t --> t=4÷0.2=20s.
That self-checks: V-V0=a*t --> V-6=0.2*20 --> V=4+6=10m/s

But the second part is more problematic. X is the distance; I plug in the 20s from the first equation.

X = Vo*t + 0.5*a*t^2[/B]
X = 6*20 +0.5*0.2*(20^2)
X = 120+0.01*400 = 120+40 = 160...instead of 200 as it should be!

It's also possible to put X=200 from the problem, and solve a quadratic for t, but that is a big pain in the rear. Anyway, I am really wondering what silly step I am missing that part 2 gives me 160 instead of 200??!

 
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Head_Unit said:
Hi Folks: I am puzzled by this problem; there must be something wrong but I can't see what...

1. The problem statement: "A runner enters the last 200 m of a race running 6 m/s. She accelerates at 0.2 m/s2 &crosses the finish line at 10 m/s. What is her time for the last 200 m?"

2. Homework Equations : "(HINT: use V-V0=a*t to find time. Then use X = Vo*t + 0.5*a*t^2 to get t)."


The Attempt at a Solution

:
V-V0=a*t --> 10-6=0.2*t --> 4=0.2*t --> t=4÷0.2=20s.
That self-checks: V-V0=a*t --> V-6=0.2*20 --> V=4+6=10m/s

But the second part is more problematic. X is the distance; I plug in the 20s from the first equation.

X = Vo*t + 0.5*a*t^2
X = 6*20 +0.5*0.2*(20^2)
X = 120+0.01*400 = 120+40 = 160...instead of 200 as it should be!

It's also possible to put X=200 from the problem, and solve a quadratic for t, but that is a big pain in the rear. Anyway, I am really wondering what silly step I am missing that part 2 gives me 160 instead of 200??!
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The question, as it was written above, is a little vague. If you assume that she starts accelerating at 200 m before the finish line, and continues accelerating until she crosses the finish, the math does not work out and she will cross the finish line at a speed faster than 10 m/s.

One way to interpret the problem such that things work out is that she starts accelerating at some point within the last 200 m of the race, but not necessarily at exactly 200 m before the finish line. If so, the problem statement would be interpreted as, "A runner enters the last 200 m of a race running 6 m/s. At some point within that last 200 m, she accelerates at 0.2 m/s2 and continues accelerating until the finish such that she crosses the finish line at 10 m/s.

On the other hand, it's also possible to interpret the problem such that she starts accelerating at the point 200 m before the finish line, and stops accelerating when she reaches 10 m/s, and finishes the remainder of the distance at a constant 10 m/s. That will lead to a different answer than above. And if that's the case, the problem statement would read, "A runner enters the last 200 m of a race running 6 m/s, at which point she accelerates at 0.2 m/s2 until she reaches a speed of 10 m/s. She continues at that speed until she crosses the finish line."

I don't know which is the correct way to interpret the problem. Perhaps you can solve it both ways and ask your instructor which is the correct interpretation.
 
Ah, I get it now, thanks. The acceleration was calculated from the velocity change, but the "200 m" stuck on as a fact…but not really calculated. So probably this would be self-consistent if the acceleration was 0.1 m/s^2 or such.
 

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