Simple calorimetry lab, thermodynamics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a simple calorimetry experiment involving the melting of ice in water, focusing on the thermal processes and heat transfer involved. Participants explore the effects of adding ice to liquid water, the resulting temperature changes, and the heat gained and lost during the process.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the temperature of the water decreased upon adding ice, followed by a brief period of constant temperature before rising again.
  • Another participant suggests that both the ice and the water produced during melting gain heat, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the question regarding heat transfer.
  • There is a discussion about the correct terminology, with one participant emphasizing that ice "melted" rather than "dissolved," while another participant acknowledges the term used in the lab manual.
  • Participants express uncertainty about how to mathematically express the heat gained and lost during the process, particularly in relation to the mass and temperature changes of both the ice and the water.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of heat transfer components and terminology. There is no consensus on the mathematical expressions for heat transfer, and some participants question the clarity of the homework questions.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention potential confusion regarding the definitions of terms like "dissolve" versus "melt," and there is uncertainty about how to express the heat transfer mathematically, indicating that assumptions about the processes may not be fully clarified.

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This discussion may be useful for students engaged in calorimetry experiments, those studying thermodynamics, or anyone interested in the principles of heat transfer in phase changes.

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Homework Statement


So I did an experiment today.
The procedure is very simple.
First I got a styrofoam cup with a lid, filled it with 50.00ml (V1) of water, assum density ρ = 1.0 g/ml
Then measured the temperature of the water. T1
After that, I added 2-3 small pieces of ice, close the lid quickly. stir till all the ice dissolved, the temperature at first decreased and stay constant for a brief moment and finally rose up again.
I recorded the lowest temperature T2 this is the final temperature for both the ice and the water

Last thing I did was measuring the final volume of the ice + water (V2)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



These are the series of question (no need for data)
1. what happened to the temperature of the liquid water when ice was added?
It decreased.

2.What happened to the ice? it melted.

3.State the physical processes taking place when ice is added to liquid water.
The only process was the fusion of ice.

4. What two components gain heat when ice is added to liquid water?
The only thing i can say is that pieces of ice gain heat. what is the other thing that could have possibly gain heat beside the ice?

5.Express (4) mathematically. (Use symbols)
I have no idea what they want.
Are they asking for this: Q = mcΔT
m here is the mass of the ice (V2 - V1)
ΔT will be the change in temperature of ice from 0°C to T2
c is just the heat capacity

6. What loses heat when ice is added to liquid water?
The original amount of liquid water lost heat.

7. Express (6) mathematically.
Similar to (5)
Q2 = mcΔT
m here is the mass of the water V1
ΔT will be the change in temperature of water from T1 to T2

8. Express (5) and (7) in the form of the general equation:

qgain = -qloss

for this part, do I just need to plug in the 2 equations?

Sorry for the long post.
Thanks for your time.
 
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qpham26 said:
4. What two components gain heat when ice is added to liquid water?

I don't like this question, but I guess what they mean is that not only ice melted, but also something happened to the water produced during melting.
 
Borek said:
I don't like this question, but I guess what they mean is that not only ice melted, but also something happened to the water produced during melting.

I just thought about that this morning also =)
So heat was added for the solid to turn liquid, and then heat was gained by the newly form liquid water =)

And what about the other parts of this report? Did I get them right?

Thanks for your time.
 
One other thing caught my attention - ice did not dissolve, it MELTED.
 
Borek said:
One other thing caught my attention - ice did not dissolve, it MELTED.

haha, i am not sure if that is the write term here, it was used in the lab manual :)
 

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