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Simple cantilever beam question

  1. Oct 27, 2011 #1
    I've been looking at the equations describing different aspects of cantilever beam dynamics, but I can't seem to find what I'm looking for. (And I'm not smart enough to derive it.) If I pluck the tip of the beam and measure the location (x) of the tip over time (t), it should look something like this picture I found on google image search:

    http://www.roboticunicycle.info/images/Cantilever beam L=0.6.jpg

    What is the ODE that describes dx/dt? Is this so simple that nobody actually talks about it? Thanks for any help~
     
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  3. Oct 27, 2011 #2
    Well what is dx/dt? It is the change in position over time. So you will have to use positions at incrementally increasing times (i.e. v2-v1, v3-2, etc)

    You aren't "not smart enough" to derive the equation, something like this isn't that tough. "deriving" this equation is just thinking it through and understanding what output you want.
     
  4. Oct 28, 2011 #3
    OK, I appreciate the encouragement but this is not a homework question and physics/engineering is not my field. Surely this is in a textbook somewhere? I'm not sure why I can't find it. Any ideas?
     
  5. Oct 30, 2011 #4
    hi!
    I have seen a lot of questions on cantilever beams, but I am not familiar with this type. generally we're asked only to find out the maximum deflection at the tip, but you need the change in deflection with respect to time. so you have a case of SHM.

    suppose you bend a cantilever by loading it at one end. the cantilever will now have an angle θ, (say) with respect to the original position. so if we consider really small angles (i.e. really small loads) we can approximate the deflection(x) as:

    x= length of the cantilever(L)*θ

    now if we take the moments about the pivot point (the point where the cantilever is attached to the wall), we have from Newton's second law ( Ʃtorque= Iα)
    mass moment of inertia of the system about the point (J)* angular acceleration(double differential of θ, lets give it a symbol DDθ) = algebraic sum of moments about the pivot point.

    at this stage I'm assuming that the mass of the rod is uniformly distributed, and therefore the centre of mass lies at the centre of the rod i.e. at a distance of L/2 from the pivot point. ( this assumption maybe wrong, but this is the only way i know how to do this)

    J*DDθ=m*g*L*θ
    (m*L*L*cosθ*cosθ)/(4) *DDθ= m*g*l*θ


    this shd be your ODE. correct me if I'am wrong.

    sorry for the stupid symbols and stuff like L*L. dont knw how to work this.
     
  6. Oct 30, 2011 #5
    waiittt.. we need to eliminate theta... i'll get back on tht after i take a nap
     
  7. Oct 30, 2011 #6

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  8. Oct 30, 2011 #7
    Thanks for the replies~

    So at any rate this does seem to be somewhat beyond "Cantilever Beams 101" and the type of thing that would be listed in any textbook. OK, well let me take a look at what's been posted here and see if it makes sense.
     
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  9. Oct 31, 2011 #8
    alpha zero;
    I know that its damping. it would be damping anywhere on earth thats without a vacuum. but dont you think we should ignore the damping caused by air?.... it will be pretty small.
    if there was a damper attached somewhere then you should have considered damping.
    this case is very similar to a simple pendulum undergoing oscillations. now the differential equation describing its motion is l*DDθ+gθ=0

    but how does the pendulum stop if it isn't damped?.. it is damped but only a little by the air friction.. maybe the time period for such a case is huge...!!!

    if we do take in the damping into consideration i'am getting this equation:
    F=-mgcosθ/2-mlDDθ/4... where F is the damping force...

    i can show you how i got this if you guys are interested... now that we have this though how do we find the damping force of air?
     
  10. Oct 31, 2011 #9
    the more i post on this the more confused i get
     
  11. Nov 2, 2011 #10
    I'm confused too, and I do appreciate the time that you're spending on this.

    I've taken basic diff eqs, but this seems to be much harder than I would have expected, very different from forced springs and similar things. Now I'm starting to see why it's not just right there in any textbooks. Do you people who claim that it's a straightforward derivation actually know for a fact that it is, or are you just assuming?
     
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