Simple complex power: why is e^( i (2*Pi*n*t)/T ) not 1?

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The discussion centers around the complex form of Fourier series and the implications of the expression e^[i(2πnt)/T]. Participants explore why this expression does not simplify to 1, particularly when considering the nature of complex exponentiation and its properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the complex form of the Fourier series and questions why e^[i(2πnt)/T] simplifies to 1, suggesting a misunderstanding of the properties of complex exponentiation.
  • Another participant notes that every complex number, including 1, has distinct nth roots, implying that 1 raised to a fractional power is not necessarily 1.
  • A different participant emphasizes that the identity e^(a*b) != (e^a)^b holds for complex numbers unless specific phase considerations are made.
  • One participant illustrates the complexity of exponentiation with examples, highlighting that the identity does not hold in certain cases, particularly when dealing with complex numbers.
  • Another participant reflects on the nature of 1 raised to π, connecting it to the complex unit circle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the properties of complex exponentiation, with no consensus reached on the simplification of the expression in question. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these properties on the Fourier series.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of their understanding regarding complex exponentiation and the conditions under which certain identities hold true, particularly in relation to fractional powers.

Aziza
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the complex form of Fourier series is:

f(t) = Ʃ c*e^[iωnt]
where c are the coefficients, the sum is from n= -inf to +inf; ω= 2*pi/T, where T is period...

but if you just look at e^[iωnt] = e^[ i (2*pi*n*t)/T] = {e^[ i (2*pi*n)] }^(t/T)

where I just took out the t/T...
well, e^[ i (2*pi*n)] = 1, since n is integer...and (1)^(t/T) is still equal to 1...so shouldn't the complex Fourier form just reduce to f(t) = Ʃ c ?

I feel i must be doing something stupid, if someone could just please point out what exactly...
 
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Every complex number, except 0, but including 1, has n distinct nth roots.
When dealing with complex numbers, 1 to a fractional power is not just 1.
 
In general, e^(a*b) != (e^a)^b with complex numbers a,b - unless you care about the phase of the expression in some other way.
 
HallsofIvy said:
When dealing with complex numbers, 1 to a fractional power is not just 1.

Nice one!
I'm just realizing that ##1^\pi## is the complex unit circle! :)
 
Hello Aziza,
In case you're still skeptical, here's a couple of examples. If you had something like:

eiπ/3 = (e)1/3 = (ei/3) = 1/2+sqrt(3)/2.

Then the identity applies, but take a look here:

(e2πi)i = 1i =/= e-2π = e2∏ii

The identity does not hold, and you can't really guess when and where it does, or doesn't.
In your case, you know it doesn't work because you get such an odd result, 0 for all t,and 00 for t=0, when we know for a fact that eiωnt are n rotating vectors in the complex plain!
 
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