Simple Convergence: Does \sum\sin(x^n) Converge?

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The discussion centers on the convergence of the series \(\sum\limits_{n = 1}^\infty {\sin \left( {x^n } \right)}\) for \(x\) in the interval \((-1, 1)\). Participants explore various mathematical inequalities and properties of the sine function to analyze convergence, as well as related questions about the behavior of a normalized sum involving sine functions.

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  • Some participants propose that the series converges for all \(x\) in \((-1, 1)\) based on the inequality \(|\sin(x)| < |x|\), leading to the conclusion that \(|\sin(x^n)| < |x^n|\) and thus the series converges absolutely.
  • Others challenge the assertion that \(|\sin(x)| < |x|\) holds for all \(x\) in the interval, noting that it is not true at \(x = 0\) and providing a detailed analysis of the function \(f(x) = x - \sin(x)\) to illustrate that \(|\sin(x)| < |x|\) for \(x \neq 0\).
  • A participant expresses interest in proving the inequality \(|\sin(x)| < |x|\) and seeks clarification on how to establish this mathematically.
  • Further, a participant introduces a related question about the behavior of the function \(f_n(x) = \frac{1}{n}\sum\limits_{k = 1}^n {\sin \left( {x^k } \right)}\) and its critical points, specifically asking about the limit of the critical points \(x_n\) as \(n\) approaches infinity.
  • Another participant mentions that from their observations, the critical points \(x_n\) appear to be increasing and suggests that the limit of \(x_n\) is not equal to 1, while also questioning the conditions under which \(f_n'(x_n) = 0\) holds for \(x_n > 1\).
  • Some participants discuss the implications of their findings regarding the derivatives of the sums and the behavior of the sine function at larger values of \(x\), suggesting that the analysis leads to a contradiction regarding the limits of \(x_n\).

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Participants express differing views on the validity of the inequality \(|\sin(x)| < |x|\) and its implications for convergence. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the convergence of the series and the behavior of the critical points \(x_n\).

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The discussion includes various mathematical assumptions and conditions that are not fully resolved, particularly regarding the behavior of the sine function and the convergence criteria for the series. The implications of the derivatives and critical points are also not conclusively established.

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Just out of curiosity, does
[tex]\sum\limits_{n = 1}^\infty {\sin \left( {x^n } \right)}[/tex]
converge [itex]\forall x \in \left( -1 , 1 \right)[/itex] ?
 
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I would be tempted to say yes, because of the inequality |sin(x)|<|x|, which implies |sin(x^n)|<|x^n|, which implies

[tex]\sum^m|\sin(x^n)|\leq \sum^m|x^n|[/tex]

But for -1<x<1, the sum on the right is geometric, which converges. So the sine series converges absolutely.
 
can you please tell me how i can prove that |sin(x)| < |x|?
 
Strictly speaking, it's not true- sin(x)= x when x= 0!

At x=0 sin(0)= 0. Let f(x)= x- sin(x). Then f'(x)= 1- cos(x) which is always greater than or equal to 0. That is, x- sin(x) is an increasing function. For any x> 0 x> sin(x). For x< 0 use the fact that both x and sin(x) are odd functions: if x is negative, then -x is positive and so -x> sin(-x)= -sin(x). But x is negative and (for [itex]0> x> -\pi[/itex]) so is sin(x). |sin(x)|= -x> |sin(x)|= -sin(x). For |x|> 1, it is obvious that |x|> |sin(x)|.
 
quasar987 said:
I would be tempted to say yes, because of the inequality |sin(x)|<|x|, which implies |sin(x^n)|<|x^n|, which implies

[tex]\sum^m|\sin(x^n)|\leq \sum^m|x^n|[/tex]

But for -1<x<1, the sum on the right is geometric, which converges. So the sine series converges absolutely.
I see, thank you :smile:

A similar question (but like the previous, related to a larger problem):
[tex]\forall n \in \mathbb{N},{\text{ does }}\exists x > 1:\frac{1}<br /> {n}\sum\limits_{k = 1}^n {\sin \left( {x^k } \right)} \leqslant \sin 1{\text{ ?}}[/tex]
 
In particular, I'm looking at the function
[tex]f_n \left( x \right) = \frac{1}{n}\sum\limits_{k = 1}^n {\sin \left( {x^k } \right)}[/tex]

where
[tex]\forall n \geqslant 1,\; - 1 \leqslant f_n \left( x \right) \leqslant 1[/tex]
and
[tex]\forall x \in \left[ 0,1 \right], \; \frac{{df_n }}{{dx}} > 0[/tex]

From inspection at n=2,3,..., up to n=25 (my graphing program's constraints!),
the first critical point (i.e., dfn(x)/dx=0) that fn(x) approaches (for positive x) is always a maximum at some x>1

Furthermore, if we let xn be the x-value of this maximum for fn(x)
(i.e., the smallest x>0 such that dfn(x)/dx=0), then we notice
[tex]x_2 > \cdots > x_n > 1[/tex]
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*But, what is
[tex]\lim \limits_{n \to \infty } x_n \; ?[/tex]

Clearly, [itex]\lim \limits_{n \to \infty } x_n \ne 1[/itex], since
[tex]f'_n \left( 1 \right) = \left( {\cos 1 + 2\cos 1 + 3\cos 1 + \cdots } \right)/n > 0[/tex]

Also, since
[tex]\frac{{df_n }}{{dx}} = \frac{1}{n}\sum\limits_{k = 1}^n {kx^{k - 1} \cos \left( {x^k } \right)}[/tex]

my question is simply
[tex]{\text{What is the smallest }}x > 0\;{\text{such that }}\frac{d}<br /> {{dx}}\sum\limits_{k = 1}^{\infty} {\sin \left( {x^k } \right)} = 0\;?[/tex]
 
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bomba923 said:
A similar question (but like the previous, related to a larger problem):
[tex]\forall n \in \mathbb{N},{\text{ does }}\exists x > 1:\frac{1}<br /> {n}\sum\limits_{k = 1}^n {\sin \left( {x^k } \right)} \leqslant \sin 1{\text{ ?}}[/tex]
In particular, before asking
[tex]\text{What is } \lim \limits_{n \to \infty } x_n ?[/tex]

someone might ask
[tex]{\text{How do we know if }}\forall n \in \mathbb{N},\;\exists x_n > 1: f_n {\kern 1pt} ' \left( {x_n } \right) = 0\;?[/tex]

which means I must
[tex]{\text{Prove/disprove that }}\forall n \in \mathbb{N},\;\exists x_n > 1:\frac{d}{{dx}}\sum\limits_{k = 1}^n {\sin \left( {x_n^k } \right)} = 0[/tex]

or, equivalently (due to Mean & Intermediate Value Theorems),
[tex]{\text{Prove/disprove that }}\forall n \in \mathbb{N},\;\exists x > 1: \frac{1}{n} \sum\limits_{k = 1}^n {\sin \left( {x^k } \right)} \leqslant \sin 1[/tex]

(I tried induction, but showing n[itex]\to[/itex]n+1 wasn't quite as easy as I hoped...)

*So, does anyone have any ideas how I may prove (or disprove :rolleyes:) that
[tex]\forall n \in \mathbb{N},\;\exists x > 1: \frac{1}{n} \sum\limits_{k = 1}^n {\sin \left( x^k \right)} \leqslant \sin 1[/tex]
?
 
Same as before,
[tex]\begin{gathered}<br /> f_n \left( x \right) = \frac{1}<br /> {n}\sum\limits_{k = 1}^n {\sin \left( {x^k } \right)} \Rightarrow f'_n \left( x \right) = \frac{1}<br /> {n}\sum\limits_{k = 1}^n {kx^{k - 1} \cos \left( {x^k } \right)} \hfill \\<br /> x_n = \min \left\{ {x > 0:f'_n \left( x \right) = 0} \right\} = \min \left\{ {x > 0:\frac{d}<br /> {{dx}}\sum\limits_{k = 1}^n {\sin \left( {x^k } \right)} = 0} \right\} \hfill \\ \end{gathered}[/tex]

From inspection, it appears that
[tex]\frac{d}{{dx}}\sum\limits_{k = 1}^{n + 1} {\sin \left( {x_n^k } \right)} < 0[/tex]

though...
[tex]\begin{gathered}<br /> \cos x_n + 2x_n \cos x_n^2 + 3x_n^2 \cos x_n^3 + \cdots + nx_n^{n - 1} \cos x_n^n = 0 \Rightarrow \hfill \\<br /> \cos x_n + 2x_n \cos x_n^2 + 3x_n^2 \cos x_n^3 + \cdots + \left( {n + 1} \right)x_n^n \cos x_n^{n + 1} < 0 \hfill \\ <br /> \end{gathered}[/tex]

~or equivalently,
[tex]\begin{gathered}<br /> \cos x_n + 2x_n \cos x_n^2 + 3x_n^2 \cos x_n^3 + \cdots + nx_n^{n - 1} \cos x_n^n = 0 \Rightarrow \hfill \\<br /> \cos x_n + 2x_n \cos x_n^2 + 3x_n^2 \cos x_n^3 + \cdots + nx_n^{n - 1} \cos x_n^n + \left( {n + 1} \right)x_n^n \cos x_n^{n + 1} < 0 \hfill \\ \end{gathered}[/tex]

implies (as π/2=x1>x2>...)
[tex]\left( {n + 1} \right)x_n^n \cos x_n^{n + 1} < 0 \Rightarrow \cos x_n^{n + 1} < 0 \Rightarrow \sqrt[{n + 1}]{{\pi /2}} < x_n < \sqrt[{n + 1}]{{3\pi /2}}[/tex]

which, by the Squeeze Theorem, implies
[tex]\lim \limits_{n \to \infty } \sqrt[{n + 1}]{{\pi /2}} < \lim \limits_{n \to \infty } x_n < \lim \limits_{n \to \infty } \sqrt[{n + 1}]{{3\pi /2}} \Rightarrow \mathop {\lim }\limits_{n \to \infty } x_n = 1[/tex]

*Which is strange, considering that
[tex]\begin{gathered}<br /> \forall n \in \mathbb{N},\;f'_n \left( x \right) > 0\;{\text{for }}0 \leqslant x \leqslant 1,\;{\text{and}} \hfill \\<br /> \mathop {\lim }\limits_{n \to \infty } f'_n \left( 1 \right) = \frac{{\cos 1 + 2\cos 1 + 3\cos 1 + \cdots + n\cos 1}}<br /> {n} = \mathop {\lim }\limits_{n \to \infty } \frac{{n + 1}}<br /> {2}\cos 1,\;{\text{which diverges}} \hfill \\ <br /> \end{gathered}[/tex]
 
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