Simple Derivation giving me a headache.

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of a specific function, with participants exploring the process of differentiation and simplification of the resulting expression. The subject area is calculus, specifically focusing on derivatives and algebraic manipulation.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the original poster's attempt at differentiation using the product rule and express confusion regarding the simplification of their result compared to an output from Wolfram Alpha. Questions arise about whether sufficient simplification has been performed.

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Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the simplification of the expression to match the form provided by Wolfram Alpha. There is acknowledgment that the answers are equivalent, and suggestions have been made to combine terms over a common denominator.

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There is an emphasis on ensuring that the expressions are algebraically equivalent, and participants are encouraged to check their work by substituting specific values to verify consistency.

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Deriving http://www4d.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP20181a00e6i82g005gag00005gb4c7hic8g2i3hi?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=57&w=79&h=43


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My attempt gives me:
-48/(x^2-16)^2 + 192x^2/(x^2-16)^3 via product rule

Wolfram alpha gives me this for an answer

http://www4d.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP40371a00e53i06h6352d000061574g9ehi6a9958?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=15&w=224&h=48

I can't seem to figure out how to match my answer with Wolfram, even though it's not a tough derivative. Am I maybe not simplifying enough?
 
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Jimbo57 said:

Homework Statement


Deriving http://www4d.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP20181a00e6i82g005gag00005gb4c7hic8g2i3hi?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=57&w=79&h=43

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



My attempt gives me:
-48/(x^2-16)^2 + 192x^2/(x^2-16)^3 via product rule

Wolfram alpha gives me this for an answer

http://www4d.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP40371a00e53i06h6352d000061574g9ehi6a9958?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=15&w=224&h=48

I can't seem to figure out how to match my answer with Wolfram, even though it's not a tough derivative. Am I maybe not simplifying enough?

A simple trick that you can use to see if your answer actually matches up is to let x be a transcendental number like \pi in your answer, then in Wolfram's. Since we're dealing with rational coefficients and exponents throughout, there is no way they can match up unless the answers are algebraically equivalent. They do match up in this case.

So it's just a matter of rearranging your equation. Try reexpressing -48/(x^2-16)^2 as -\frac{48(x^2 - 16)}{{(x^2 - 16)}^3} for starters, then combine the numerators over a common denominator.
 
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The answers are equivalent. In order to get it into the same form, you need to make a common denominator.
 
Ahh I see it now, thanks so much guys. Simple mistake, maybe I need a break...
 

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