Simple expectation value calculation

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The problem involves calculating the expectation value of x for a Gaussian distribution given by p(x) = Aec(x-a)². The original poster expresses difficulty in performing the integral required for this calculation and questions whether a qualitative solution is sufficient.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss various methods for evaluating the integral ∫xp(x)dx, with some suggesting substitutions and others questioning the implications of those substitutions on the differential. There is also a shift in focus to the expectation value and the challenges of evaluating integrals at the bounds of ±∞.

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Participants are actively exploring different approaches to the integrals involved, with some providing insights into integration techniques like integration by parts. There is a recognition of the complexities involved in evaluating certain terms at infinity, and multiple interpretations of the results are being considered.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the treatment of indeterminate forms and the behavior of functions at infinity, which are central to the discussion. The original poster also references the need for the total probability to equal one, suggesting constraints on the problem setup.

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This problem comes from the second edition of Griffiths's, Introduction to Quantum Mechanics.

Given the Gaussian Distribution: p(x) = Aec(x-a)2

find <x>, that is, the expectation (or mean) value of x.

Clearly, to do this you evaluate the following integral: ∫xp(x)dx on (-∞,∞). I've tried performing this integration analytically, and it seems to be more bothersome than a rectal exam. The solution should be x = a since, by definition, p is centered at x = a (this is evident graphically as well). Is a qualitative solution sufficient here? Another method (which obviously does not work in general) is to set p'(x) = 0 and solve for x since we know the Gaussian distrubtion contains only one extremum. Any advice on the best means to proceed?

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∫Axec(x-a)2.dx
subst x+a for x:
∫A(x+a)ecx2.dx = ∫Axecx2.dx + a∫Aecx2.dx
= (1/2)∫Aecx2.dx2 + a
 
I tried this already. Wouldn't the differential be required to change also? That is, dx becomes d(x+a).
 
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EDIT* sorry, sorry, the differential is dx'/dx = d/dx[x+a], so dx' = dx.
 
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Now let's talk about <x2>, I seem to encounter an indeterminate form upon evaluating the integral at bounds +/- ∞ (see the integral of x2e-cx2)
 
Syrus said:
Now let's talk about <x2>, I seem to encounter an indeterminate form upon evaluating the integral at bounds +/- ∞ (see the integral of x2e-cx2)
Same substitution gets rid the -a. ∫x2e-cx2.dx (with a suitable multiplier to get total prob of 1) is just var(X), a standard result. To work it out for yourself, use integration by parts.
 
I obtain the integral in the attached photo. Obviously there is a problem evaluating it at +/- ∞ because of the second (subtracted) term, no?
 

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The attachment is illegible for me. Much too small. Did you try integration by parts?
##\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} x^2e^{-cx^2}.dx = [x \int^x ye^{-cy^2}.dy]_{-\infty}^{+\infty} - \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} \left(\int^x ye^{-cy^2}.dy\right) dx ##
 
I think you're misunderstanding me. Look here for the integral of interest (the one you're attempting to solve by parts): http://integral-table.com/ and you'll see the "problem" I'm encountering with evaluating the result at +/- infinity.
 
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Syrus said:
I think you're misunderstanding me. Look here for the integral of interest (the one you're attempting to solve by parts): http://integral-table.com/ and you'll see the "problem" I'm encountering with evaluating the result at +/- infinity.
Number (70)? erf(-∞) = -1, erf(+∞) = +1. The other term vanishes at both extremes, leaving √(π/a)/(2a)
 
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Why does the other term vanish at both extremes? Isn't 0*infinity an indeterminate form?
 
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e-x2 tends to zero much faster than x tends to infinity.
 
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There's an x multiplied by that too however, i.e. xecx2, so at each extreme it becomes +/- infinity * e^-infinity
 
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