Simple expression for Coloumb energy

In summary, the conversation discusses the expression for the energy barrier in splitting a nucleus, which includes terms for Coulomb energy, surface energy, and electrostatic potential difference. The expression shows that the energy barrier decreases with increasing nucleon number, but the full energy barrier for splitting actually increases. The conversation also touches on the difference between the energy barrier and the energy required to split a nucleus, and notes confusion in the lecture notes about the energy barrier increasing with A instead of decreasing.
  • #1
unscientific
1,734
13
coloumb1.png


How did they arrive at this expression? I understand the ##Q^2## term in the nominator and the ##r = r_0 (A)^{\frac{1}{3}}## term in the denominator. Where did the ##\frac{\alpha}{2}## term come from?

Putting in Z=40, A=100 gives ##3.3 \times 10^{14} J##, not ##65 MeV##.

The energy term should be of the form ## \frac{1}{4\pi \epsilon_0} \frac{Q^2}{R}##.

Also, shouldn't the energy barrier ##E_{barrier}## decrease with increasing nucleon number?

coloumb2.png


However, the text seems to imply the opposite.
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
This could be related to the chosen unit system. Alternatively, it is the difference between a single sphere and the two spheres. Where does the text come from?

How did you get 1014 J? That does not work in any unit system.

The coulomb energy shown there increases with increasing A and Z as you have more and more protons but the distance does not grow that much.
The full energy barrier decreases, to see that you have to include the original coulomb energy (as a single nucleus) - you'll see it is larger than the energy for two separated halves.
 
  • #3
mfb said:
This could be related to the chosen unit system. Alternatively, it is the difference between a single sphere and the two spheres. Where does the text come from?

How did you get 1014 J? That does not work in any unit system.

The coulomb energy shown there increases with increasing A and Z as you have more and more protons but the distance does not grow that much.
The full energy barrier decreases, to see that you have to include the original coulomb energy (as a single nucleus) - you'll see it is larger than the energy for two separated halves.

Using ##\alpha = \frac{1}{137}##, ## r_0 = 1.2 \times 10^{-15} m##, ##Z=40## and ##A=100## gives ##10^{14} ##.

I'm confused. You say: "The coulomb energy shown there increases with increasing A and Z..." and you then say "The full energy barrier decreases..". Does the energy barrier increase or decrease?
 
  • #4
unscientific said:
Using ##\alpha = \frac{1}{137}##, ## r_0 = 1.2 \times 10^{-15} m##, ##Z=40## and ##A=100## gives ##10^{14} ##.
No, it gives 1014/m. Which shows you got the units wrong, or there is some prefactor missing. Either way, you cannot simply put some arbitrary unit of energy (like Joule) to it.

I'm confused. You say: "The coulomb energy shown there increases with increasing A and Z..." and you then say "The full energy barrier decreases..". Does the energy barrier increase or decrease?
The expression there increases, but the energy barrier for splitting decreases.
 
  • #5
mfb said:
The expression there increases, but the energy barrier for splitting decreases.

Since ##E_{barrier} \propto Z^2 A^{-\frac{1}{3}}##, shouldn't the energy barrier increase with addition of protons?
 
  • #6
This is not the energy needed to split the nucleus.
 
  • #7
mfb said:
This is not the energy needed to split the nucleus.

Ok, if the energy barrier is not the energy needed to split the nucleus, then:

1. What does the energy barrier mean?
2. What then, is the energy required to split the nucleus?
 
  • #8
unscientific said:
1. What does the energy barrier mean?
That's what I asked in post 2: where is the text from?
2. What then, is the energy required to split the nucleus?
The difference in total energy between the two discussed states, including the surface term that has been mentioned in post 1 and the electrostatic potential difference between initial and final state. That is not exact, but it will should give a reasonable approximation.
 
  • #9
mfb said:
That's what I asked in post 2: where is the text from?
The difference in total energy between the two discussed states, including the surface term that has been mentioned in post 1 and the electrostatic potential difference between initial and final state. That is not exact, but it will should give a reasonable approximation.

This came from our lecture notes.

That splitting energy makes sense. The notes are confusing, as they say:

"For larger values of A, the energy barrier (7.1) continues to increase relative to final state of two well-separated daughters. "

Shouldn't (7.1) decrease with A?!
 
  • #10
That looks more like the energy barrier for fusion (because it is compared two two well-separated nuclei). I don't know.
 

1. What is Coloumb energy?

Coloumb energy, also known as electrostatic energy, is the potential energy that exists between two charged particles or objects due to their electric charge.

2. What is the equation for Coloumb energy?

The simple expression for Coloumb energy is given by the equation U = kq1q2/r, where U is the Coloumb energy, k is the Coulomb's constant (9x10^9 Nm^2/C^2), q1 and q2 are the charges of the two particles, and r is the distance between them.

3. How does distance affect Coloumb energy?

The Coloumb energy is inversely proportional to the distance between the two charged particles. This means that as the distance increases, the Coloumb energy decreases and vice versa.

4. What is the unit of Coloumb energy?

The unit of Coloumb energy is joules (J), which is also the unit of energy in the SI system.

5. How is Coloumb energy related to electric potential energy?

Coloumb energy and electric potential energy are closely related. Electric potential energy is the potential energy stored in a system of charged particles, and Coloumb energy is the total potential energy between two particles. The electric potential energy can be calculated by dividing the Coloumb energy by the charge of the particle, giving the equation V = U/q.

Similar threads

  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
23
Views
326
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
9
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
985
  • Classical Physics
Replies
5
Views
935
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • Advanced Physics Homework Help
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
1
Views
734
Replies
5
Views
905
Replies
1
Views
567
Replies
3
Views
2K
Back
Top