Simple harmonic motion of a car

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving simple harmonic motion related to a car's suspension system as it travels over a bumpy road. The original poster is trying to determine how much the car body sags when additional weight is added to it.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the sag in the car's suspension based on the mass of the car and passengers, using formulas related to harmonic motion and spring constants. Some participants question the assumptions made in the calculations and suggest that the change in mass should be considered when determining the sag.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing guidance on how to approach the calculations. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the relationship between mass and the resulting sag in the suspension, and the original poster expresses a sense of progress in understanding the problem.

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There is an indication that the original poster may have initially misunderstood the relationship between the mass of the car and the sag in the suspension, leading to confusion in their calculations.

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A 1000 kg car carrying two 100 kg football players travels over a bumpy "washboard" road with the bumps spaced 3.0 m apart. The driver finds that the car bounces with a max amplitude when he drives at a speed of 5.0 m/s. The car then stops and picks up three more 100 kg passengers. By how much does the car body sag on its suspension when these three additional passengers get in?

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[tex]\lambda = 3.0 m[/tex]
[tex]f = v/ \lambda[/tex]
[tex]f = 1.67 Hz[/tex]
[tex]\omega = 2 \pi f = \sqrt{k/m}[/tex]
[tex]k = 132300 N/m[/tex]
[tex]\Delta L = mg/k[/tex]
[tex]\Delta L = 0.11 m[/tex]

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Answer is 2.23 cm

I think my basic problem here is I just don't know what I'm doing. :confused:

Thanks for taking the time to read :)
 
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If you don't know what you are doing, then how did you get this far? Is this the way the answer tells you to do it? Or did the question hint at this and did you find it out yourself? Or did you put it together all by yourself?

As for the answer, I can say you are almost there. Just note that you are calculating the change in L in the last two lines, not L itself. This change is induced by the changing of another quantity, if you want the [itex]\Delta L[/itex] you will also have to plug in the change in this quantity, and not the value itself. Or, alternatively, you can first calculate L for the case before and after, and subtract them to find the difference.
 
Ohhh I thought I was just way off... I had tried subtracting the change in L when m = 1000 kg, but I see now that I had to use m = 1200 kg and that gives me a 2.22 cm difference


Thank you :D
 
Great

danielle36 said:
I think my basic problem here is I just don't know what I'm doing. :confused:

Has that problem been solved too, or do you want someone to explain it?
 
Actually, I think I got it now.. What I was doing made sense to me but since I was so far off I thought I was applying the equations to the wrong situation, but it turns out I just hadn't thought the question over enough
 

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