Simple integral of dlnP/dt problem

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The discussion revolves around integrating the Clausius Clapeyron equation to derive the saturated partial pressure equation. The subject area includes thermodynamics and calculus, specifically focusing on the relationship between pressure and temperature.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore integration of the equation dln(P)/dT = L/RT² and discuss the implications of integrating both sides with respect to temperature. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between pressure and temperature, as well as the constants involved, such as Es0.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on integrating the equation and have pointed out the confusion regarding the variables used (t vs T). There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity in the mathematical approach, and while some participants express feeling lost, others are attempting to work through the problem collaboratively.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the notation used for temperature and time, which has contributed to misunderstandings in the problem setup. Additionally, participants mention a lack of clarity in their course materials, which may be affecting their ability to progress.

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Homework Statement



Integrate the Clausius Clapeyron equation to get the saturated partial pressure equation.



Homework Equations



dln(P)/dT = L/RT2

Es= Es0 exp(-L/R (1/T - 1/T0))

The Attempt at a Solution



P=Es0

∫L/RT (limits -> T &T0) = -L/R * (1/T - 1/T0)

dln(P)/dT = 1/P*dP/dT?



I've managed to confused myself to the point where these are the only coherent workings I have. I feel that I'm close and missing a trick? My problem is how I get to the exp and the Es0 constant. I know this is to do with dln(P)/dT, but the maths textbook and the notes for the course I have don't help at all.
 
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On the left hand side you have a derivative of a function with respect to T. On the right hand side you have a function of T. You can integrate both sides with respect to T. What do you get?
 
if you use the dln(P)/dT = 1/P*dP/dT relation

P= -P (L/R * (1/T - 1/T0))

I understand you are trying to get me to work through the problem. The problem is my maths are wrong and need to be shown how to do it.
 
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You have [tex]\frac {d} {dT} \ln P = \frac L {RT^2}[/tex] You integrate that from [itex]T_0[/itex] to [itex]T[/itex]: [tex]\int_{T_0}^T\frac {d} {dT} \ln P dT = \int_{T_0}^T \frac L {RT^2} dT[/tex] The integral on the left is an integral of a derivative, so integration cancels differentiation: [tex]\int_{T_0}^T\frac {d} {dT} \ln P dT = \left[\ln P\right]_{T_0}^T = \ln P - \ln P_0 = \ln \frac {P}{P_0}[/tex] Can you figure out the rest?
 
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Yes, thank you for the help. My brain just seemed to shut down down on this problem.
 
One thing that is confusing is the use of "t" on the left and "T" on the right. I assumed that "t" was "time" and "T" was temperature, which makes the problem very difficult!
 
The t vs T thing was my fault, I just wrote the differentiation symbol in the autopilot mode. Sorry about that! I have corrected that.
 

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