Simple Mole Conversions: Calculating Mass of Methane (CH4) at STP

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The discussion revolves around calculating the mass of methane (CH4) when it occupies 32.3 L at Standard Temperature and Pressure (STP). Participants explore different methods and concepts related to mole conversions, including the application of the ideal gas law and molar volume at STP.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in calculating the mass of methane after determining the molar mass of its components.
  • Another participant mentions that STP stands for Standard Temperature and Pressure and suggests using the ideal gas law (PV=nRT) for calculations.
  • A different participant points out that the definition of STP can vary, indicating a need for clarification on the specific temperature and pressure values required.
  • One participant states that 1 mole of gas occupies 22.4 L at STP, proposing to use this information to find the number of moles of methane.
  • Another participant suggests a straightforward approach by setting up a ratio of the given volume to the molar volume at STP to find the number of moles.
  • There is a mention that while the ideal gas law is a general method, it may not be necessary for this specific problem if the molar volume is known.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of the molar volume at STP for calculations, but there is some disagreement regarding the definition of STP and the necessity of using the ideal gas law for this problem.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the exact values for temperature and pressure that should be used for STP, as well as the applicability of the ideal gas law in this context.

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What is the mass of methane (CH4) if it occupies 32.3 L at STP?

We got a whole bunch of these problems on a worksheet with minimal instruction. If somebody could please aid me in solving this one, then I should be able to solve the rest.

I assume that I must first find the masses of the individual components...

C = 12.0107 * 1 = 12.0107
+H = 1.00794 * 4 = 4.03176
---------------------------
16.0483

Then I honestly don't know what to do... I don't want the answer; I'd just really appreciate if somebody could show me how to do this. I tried searching for a guide online, but none of them really had what I was looking for.

Thank you!
 
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STP means Standard Temperature and Pressure.
Use PV=nRT.
 
symbolipoint said:
STP means Standard Temperature and Pressure.

Which - sadly - doesn't mean anything.

jacksonpeeble: you have to know what temperature and pressure your teacher want's you to use as STP, as this thing is not precisly defined.
 
1 mole = 22.4 L at STP according to my teacher.

What do I do with that equation? I assume that it is the same as (Pressure x Volume)/(Temperature x Moles) = R, but how is this applied?

Thanks for the help so far, though!
 
and then let 32.3 L = x mol at STP. you can get x. do you know how to do now? (forget that equation...for this problem, it is useless.)
 
jacksonpeeble said:
it occupies 32.3 L at STP?

jacksonpeeble said:
1 mole = 22.4 L at STP

How many moles of methane then?

What is molar mass of methane?

While PV=NRT is the general method, that will give exactly the same results if applied correctly, you can solve the question using just the information quoted above.
 
Ah, so it's essentially just a ratio?

So it would be 32.3/22.4 = 1.44 Moles?
 
Now moles to mass and you are ready.

Note, that if you will be given exact pressure and/or temperature value you will have to use PV=nRT equation.
 

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