Simple problem about the torque?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving torque, frictional force, and the rolling inertia of a wheel subjected to a horizontal force. The wheel has a specified mass and radius, and the context includes understanding the effects of applied forces on torque and rotation.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between applied forces and torque, questioning why only the frictional force is considered in the torque calculation. They discuss the implications of applying the force at different points on the wheel, particularly whether applying the force at the center affects the torque.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying concepts related to torque and the effects of force application points. There is a recognition of how the position of the applied force influences the resulting torque, with some participants confirming the reasoning behind the calculations presented.

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There is an emphasis on understanding the conditions under which torque is generated, particularly in relation to the point of application of the force. The discussion does not resolve the initial problem but focuses on the underlying principles of torque and force application.

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A constant horizontal force of magnitude 10 N is applied to wheel of mass 10 kg and radius 0.30 m (Figure). The wheel rolls smoothly on the horizontal surface, and the acceleration of its center of mass has magnitude 0.60 m/s2. (a) What are the magnitude and direction of the frictional force on the wheel? (b) What is the rolling inertia of the wheel about the rotation axis through its center of mass?

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http://panda.unm.edu/Courses/Price/Phys160/p25-2.pdf

I understand part a but i have a question on part b.

I know that τ = r x f

so why, in this problem, τ = (.3m)(4N)? why is only friction force calculated and not the force applied to it which was 10N?
 
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If the 10N is applied tangentially to the rim of the wheel, then the 10N would result in a torque about the centre of the wheel.

But if the 10N is applied to the centre of the wheel then the 10N would lead to no torque about the centre of the wheel.
 
grzz said:
If the 10N is applied tangentially to the rim of the wheel, then the 10N would result in a torque about the centre of the wheel.

But if the 10N is applied to the centre of the wheel then the 10N would lead to no torque about the centre of the wheel.

so if 10n was applied to the center of the wheel then it wouldn't effect the rotation so the torque would be zero?
 
As you said

τ = r x f.

Hence if force f passes through the centre of the wheel, then the torque τ of f about the centre of the wheel is 0. This follows because in this case the distance r between the line of action of f and the point about which the torque is to be found is 0.
 
grzz said:
As you said

τ = r x f.

Hence if force f passes through the centre of the wheel, then the torque τ of f about the centre of the wheel is 0. This follows because in this case the distance r between the line of action of f and the point about which the torque is to be found is 0.

Thanks !
 

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