Simple Proof of Riemann's Hypothesis

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The discussion revolves around attempts to prove Riemann's Hypothesis, focusing on the properties and implications of the Riemann zeta function, particularly concerning its zeros. Participants explore various aspects of the proof, including convergence of series, analytic continuation, and the critical line where non-trivial zeros are believed to lie.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the proof presented actually proves anything and seeks guidance on what more needs to be established.
  • Another participant points out that the series definition of the Riemann zeta function only applies for Re(s) > 1, challenging the validity of using it in other domains.
  • A critique is made regarding the assumption that an infinite series summing to zero implies all terms must be zero, indicating a flaw in the proof approach.
  • Discussion includes the assertion that for s' = 1/2, the series collapses to zero, but this claim is met with skepticism regarding the convergence of the series in the specified domain.
  • Participants mention the need to understand analytic continuation and the functional equation of the zeta function to properly address the problem.
  • There is a suggestion to study complex analysis and specific texts to gain a deeper understanding of the zeta function and its properties.
  • One participant reflects on Hardy's results and proposes that proving all non-trivial zeros lie on the critical line could be approached by contradiction.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of the proof and the assumptions made regarding the convergence of series. There is no consensus on the correctness of the proof or the necessary steps to advance the argument.

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Limitations include unresolved mathematical steps regarding the convergence of series for different values of s, and the dependence on definitions related to the Riemann zeta function and its analytic properties.

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Hi,

I am attempting to prove Riemann's Hypothesis and need someone to critque the proof.

1. Does it prove anything?
2. What more must I prove?
3. Where can I learn more about this problem?

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Doesn't the series definition only correspond to the Riemann Zeta function for Re(s) > 1?
 
I think you need to keep working.One flaw is that you've assumed that if an infinite series sums to zero, all of the terms must be zero. Clearly this isn't the case. There's a really good book called "Prime Obsession" by John Derbyshire about the Riemann hypothesis.
 
Sorry,

The below paragraph was supposed to be above the proof. (excuse free use of 's'):



We will try to prove that the nontrivial or interesting Riemann zeta function zeros, i.e., the values of other than -2, -4, -6, ... such that Z(s)=0 (where Z(s) is the Riemann zeta function) all lie on the "critical line" sigma=R=1/2 (where R denotes the real part of s ).
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It stems from Hardy’s 1914 proof that Z(!s) = !Z(s)= !0 = 0. This is the same as
Z(1-s) = Z(s)= 0 for the domain 0 <s <1. The proof follows.
 

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So the constraint is that 0 < s < 1 . For Re = 1/2 , Re > 0 (not 1.)

On the "flaw" I'm saying IF there exists s' s. t. (k^(1-s') - k^(s'))/k = 0 for k=1-> oo
then k^(1-s') - k^(s')=0 and only s'=1/2 makes this true. So for s'=1/2 every term is 0 for all k shown above. So for s'=1/2 the whole series collapses to zero.
-rlrandallx
 
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The problem with your approach is that the infinite series that you're using for the Riemann zeta function converges only if Re(s) > 1. You can't use it for 0 < Re(s) < 1 because it (the infinite series) doesn't converge there. You need to learn about notions such as analytic continuation and the functional equation. You might start by looking at the Wikipedia article on the Riemann zeta function.

HTH

Petek
 
Why does the series converge to 0 if s=1/2?
-rlrandallx
 
It doesn't. The series only corresponds to Riemann's Zeta function if Re(s)> 1. That is what people have been trying to tell you.
 
rlrandallx said:
Why does the series converge to 0 if s=1/2?
-rlrandallx
For zeros, s includes an imaginary component A*i besides 1/2 and I believe the Sqrt(1/4 + A^2) > 1
 
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If (A*i)^2 = -A^2 (i^2= -1) Then SQT(1/4 - A^2) could be < 1 if e.g. A^2 = 1/9, but
I get what you are saying and now am working with XI(s) which is convergent and continuos.

If 0 = xi(1-s) = xi(s) 0 < s < 1, Hardy 1914 and xi(s) is convergent, continuous and has the same nontrivial zeroes as z(s) why can't we say 0 = z(1-s) = z(s) ? and yes s = s + it a complex number.
 

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Is sum ( k^(1-s) - k^(s) ) / k ) analytic continuous for 0< Re(s) <1, pos. k ?
in the complex plane? For s=.4 => sum ( k^.6 - k^.4)/k = (k'-k'')/k would seem close to zero for most terms. For k=10 k^(.6)= 3.98, k^(.4)=2.5 , k'-k''=3.58 => 0.358 for term 10.
For k=100= 9.5 => 0.095 for term 100.
 
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Gib Z said:
It doesn't. The series only corresponds to Riemann's Zeta function if Re(s)> 1. That is what people have been trying to tell you.

perhaps if we consider it in the sense of analytic continuation so [tex]\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}n^{k} = \zeta(-k)[/tex] for 'k' different of k=-1
 
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rlrandallx said:
Hi,

I am attempting to prove Riemann's Hypothesis and need someone to critque the proof.

1. Does it prove anything?
2. What more must I prove?
3. Where can I learn more about this problem?

See attached 51910_RH_proof.JPG

Hello Rlrandallx. I've looked at this thread from time to time and feel it a bit awkward to say the least and am hesitant to say anything because I'm new here. However I do wish to sincerely give you some answers to your question ok?

1. I doubt it proves anything but I only got to the first line before you incorrectly stated the Euler sum is the zeta function for s ne 1. That's not true. The Euler sum represents the zeta function for Re(s)>1.

2. You must prove the analytic extension of the Euler sum, which is called the zeta function, has non-trivial zeros only on the critical line.

3. Here is the most important thing I can suggest to you: You have got to take at least a class in Complex Variables, then get into Complex Analysis, work many problems in Complex Analysis just to become comfortable with the subject, then study the analytic properties of the zeta function rigorously for some time. The standard texts on the subject are by Edwards and Titchmarsh but are difficult to follow but if you are persistent, they will start to open up.
 
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Thanks for all the helpful remarks. I learned a lot! I was trying to build off of Hardy's (1914) results. He extended the zeta function to one where 0< Re <1 and found f(1-s) = f(s) and as I understood it, all the non-trivial zeroes were the same as that for the zeta Riemann function.

In reading all the literature, it seems that the only thing left to really prove is that "All the non-trivials zeroes lie on the line Re=1/2 in the complex plane." So maybe someone else can do this by assuming there is a non-trivial zero at a point not on this line. Then we just show a contradiction.

All the
rlrandallx
 

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