Simple Spring & Angular Fequency Problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving springs and angular frequency, specifically addressing the relationship between spring constants and equilibrium positions in a system of springs. Participants are exploring the implications of their calculations and the definitions of effective spring constants.

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  • Participants question the original poster's reasoning regarding the negative angular frequency and its relation to the positive result expected. There is a discussion about the correct application of forces in the context of spring constants and equilibrium positions.

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Some participants have provided guidance on deriving the effective spring constant and clarifying the relationship between forces and displacements. The conversation is ongoing, with multiple interpretations being explored regarding the calculations and definitions involved.

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There seems to be some confusion regarding the definitions and calculations of effective spring constants, as well as the assumptions made about the forces acting on the mass. Participants are also addressing the implications of using multiple springs versus a single equivalent spring.

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Fs=-kx

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This question might be amateurish

Why does my answer equate to negative angular frequency when the given result is positive?
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Firstly , mg = (k1 + k2)x and not it's negative .

Secondly , what have you done here ?
Why have you equated mg to keqx ? This only gives you the equilibrium position .

Correct derivation would be - find keq , then write the formula for w interms of k and m .

Hope this helps .
 
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Qwertywerty said:
Firstly , mg = (k1 + k2)x and not it's negative .

Secondly , what have you done here ?
Why have you equated mg to keqx ? This only gives you the equilibrium position .

Correct derivation would be - find keq , then write the formula for w interms of k and m .

Hope this helps .

Thank you, it helps. But I am wondering how do I find
keq?
 
shanepitts said:
Thank you, it helps. But I am wondering how do I find
keq?
There is a certain spring constant, keq, such that if we put a single spring with that spring constant in place of the other two springs, it would have the same effect.

So if you displace the mass by Δx, then the two springs exert a total force of F on the mass. That means (by the above definition) the effective spring constant is F/Δx.

So now try to find this total force F (from the springs) in terms of the given spring constants and Δx.
 
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Nathanael said:
There is a certain spring constant, keq, such that if we put a single spring with that spring constant in place of the other two springs, it would have the same effect.

So if you displace the mass by Δx, then the two springs exert a total force of F on the mass. That means (by the above definition) the effective spring constant is F/Δx.

So now try to find this total force F (from the springs) in terms of the given spring constants and Δx.

Thank you
 

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