Simplified Hausdorf-Campbell formula

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The discussion revolves around the simplified version of the Hausdorff-Campbell formula in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on its validity and seeking a proof for certain conditions involving operators X and Y. The conversation includes aspects of mathematical reasoning and technical exploration related to operator theory.

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  • One participant presents a simplified formula involving operators X and Y and seeks a proof for its validity under specific commutation conditions.
  • Another participant references the original Baker-Hausdorff-Campbell formula and explains how it simplifies under the given assumptions, leading to the desired result.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the clarification regarding the derivation of the second formula from the first.
  • Questions arise about whether X and Y are matrices, with some participants clarifying that they are bounded operators in a Banach space, potentially including matrices.
  • Further discussion includes a participant recalling a proof related to the original Baker-Hausdorff-Campbell formula and outlining steps to derive the simplified version.

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Participants generally agree on the validity of the simplifications under the specified conditions, but there is some uncertainty regarding the nature of the operators X and Y and the complexity of the original proof.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the domains of definition and convergence of the operators in infinite-dimensional spaces, which may affect the applicability of the discussed formulas.

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The following formula is very useful in QM (it's simplifed version
of Hausdorf-Campbell formula):
<br /> \exp(X+Y) = \exp(-[X,Y]/2)\exp(X) \exp(Y)<br />
It holds for any operator X, Y which commute with their commutator (i.e.
[X,[X,Y]]= [Y,[X,Y]] = 0).
I look for a simple proof of this fact. Do you have any idea.

I also wonder if this formula is correct (for X,Y as before
such that [X,[X,Y]]= [Y,[X,Y]] = 0):
<br /> \exp(X) \exp(Y) = \exp([X,Y]) \exp(Y) \exp(X)<br />

Thanks for help.
 
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The original Baker-Hausdorff-Campbell formula reads as

\exp(x)\exp(y)=\exp(x+y+BCH(x,y))

where

BCH(x,y)=\frac12[x,y]+\frac{1}{12}[x,[x,y]]-\frac{1}{12}[y,[x,y]]-\frac{1}{24}[x,[y,[x,y]]]+\ldots

Now, with your assumptions x,y and thus x+y commute with the commutator. Therefore BCH reduces to just the first term that commutes with x+y. Therefore you can move it to the LHS and you get what you are looking for.

Your second formula follows by writing \exp (y)\exp(x) the same way and comparing the two expressions.
 
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Thanks for answer. I hadn't noticed that the second formula follows directly
from the first one.

The proof of original Baker-Hausdorff-Campbell is quite difficult so I want to find
a proof of the weaker version (stated before). Do you have any idea?
 
Are X and Y supposed to be matrices, this point has always confused me.
 
X and Y are bounded operators in some Banach space (i.e. they can be for
example matricies).
 
10001011011 said:
Are X and Y supposed to be matrices, this point has always confused me.

They are supposed to be linear operators acting on a vector space, finite or infinite-dimensional. Of course in the latter case one has to worry about their domains of definition and convergence.
 
paweld said:
The proof of original Baker-Hausdorff-Campbell is quite difficult so I want to find
a proof of the weaker version (stated before). Do you have any idea?

I think I have seen the proof. Will try to remember.

OK, I think it is standard. You start with

e^XYe^{-X}=Y+[X,Y]+0

because [X,[X,Y]] and higher commutators vanish. From this

e^XY^ne^{-X}=(Y+[X,Y])^n

Therefore

e^Xe^Ye^{-X}=\exp(e^XYe^{-X})=\exp(Y+[X,Y])=e^Ye^{[X,Y]}

From there you drive home.
 
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