Simplifying Integration: Strategies and Tips for Tricky Expressions

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the expression e^(2x)sqrt(e^x - 1). Participants explore different substitution methods and simplification techniques to tackle the problem, expressing concerns about the complexity of the expression and the efficiency of their approaches.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the substitution u=e^x-1 and the resulting integral form. Questions arise regarding the simplification of the expression [ u^(5/2)+2u^(3/2)+u^(1/2) ] [ 1/(u+1) ]. Some participants suggest factoring techniques and alternative substitutions for similar problems.

Discussion Status

Guidance has been offered on simplifying the expression through factoring, with some participants expressing relief at discovering more efficient methods. There is an acknowledgment of the initial confusion and inefficiency in the original approach, but no consensus on a single best method has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the context of a multiple-choice question, which may influence their approaches. There is also a request for resources on antidifferentiation techniques, indicating a desire for broader understanding beyond the current problem.

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hey,

im trying to integrate the following:

e^(2x)sqrt(e^x - 1)

if only it were e^x at the front - it'd be so much easier!

anyway, letting u=e^x-1 and doing everything i eventually get the following (and this is where i get stuck):

[ u^(5/2)+2u^(3/2)+u^(1/2) ] [ 1/(u+1) ] du

this is correct because, according to the computer, it simplifies to u^(3/2) + u^(1/2), which then gives the right answer.

so my question, really, is: how do we simplify [ u^(5/2)+2u^(3/2)+u^(1/2) ] [ 1/(u+1) ] ??


or am i approaching this the wrong way (which i suspect because it's a multiple choice question)??

cheers
 
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Looks like a nice substitution...

after which I end up with:

\int e^{2x}\sqrt{u}\frac{du}{e^x}=\int e^{x}\sqrt{u} du=\int (u+1)\sqrt{u} du

which is what your computer says.

(for your simplification: take a factor of u^{1/2} out and factorise...)
 
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(\sqrt u)^5 + (\sqrt u)^3 + \sqrt u= \sqrt u \left(u^2 + 2u + 1)\right
 
catalyst55 said:
hey,

im trying to integrate the following:

e^(2x)sqrt(e^x - 1)

if only it were e^x at the front - it'd be so much easier!

anyway, letting u=e^x-1 and doing everything i eventually get the following (and this is where i get stuck):

[ u^(5/2)+2u^(3/2)+u^(1/2) ] [ 1/(u+1) ] du

this is correct because, according to the computer, it simplifies to u^(3/2) + u^(1/2), which then gives the right answer.

so my question, really, is: how do we simplify [ u^(5/2)+2u^(3/2)+u^(1/2) ] [ 1/(u+1) ] ??

(u^{5/2} + 2 u^{3/2} + u^{1/2}) = u^{1/2} ( u^2+ 2 u + 1) = u^{1/2} (u+1)^2. That's all there was to it!

Patrick
 
As that's sort of a lucky break peculiar to this example, a better substitution for this general type of problem might be u=\sqrt{e^x-1}. Then e^x=u^2+1 and e^x dx = 2u du.
 
oh, thanks a lot guys.

it's so much quicker and easier if i just cancel (u+1)^2 and 1/(u+1), leaving just (u+1) instead of expanding and then trying to simplify...

seems like i approached this q in the most inefficient of ways -- i even had x= ln (u+1) lol... i had like e^[ln(u+1)] = u+1... don't know what i was thinking...

oh, by the way, do any of you guys know where i could find a good summary of all of the different types of antidifferation (ie like a compendium with an example of every particular type of question or someting)?

cheers
 
You'll usually find "antidifferentiation" :-p in the front of most calculus books - inside covers.

Or Abramowitz and Stegun: Handbook of Mathematical Functions is the Giant Haystacks of the formulae world.
 

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