Simplifying Lorentz Force Formula

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The discussion centers on simplifying the Lorentz force formula, specifically for a scenario where the electric field is absent and the velocity vector is at a 45° angle to the magnetic field. The correct interpretation of the formula F = q(E + v x B) leads to the conclusion that the force experienced by the charged particle is qvB/sqrt(2), as the sine of 45° is 1/√2. Participants emphasize the importance of understanding the underlying principles rather than relying solely on geometric interpretations. The conversation encourages exploring the formula with different angles to deepen comprehension. Ultimately, the focus is on grasping the mechanics of the Lorentz force in various contexts.
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Hey everyone, I'm trying to make sure I did this question right. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Homework Statement



The general force that bends the electron in the e/m experiment is known as the Lorentz force, F = q(E + v x B), where force F, electric field E, velocity v, and magnetic field B are vectors, and x stands for the vector product. Given that there is no electric field, and the velocity vector is at an 45° angle with respect to the magnetic field, the formula for the Lorentz force experienced by a particle carrying electric charge q is which of the following:

qvB/2
qvB
qvB/sqrt(2)
qv/B

Homework Equations



F = q(E + v x B)

The Attempt at a Solution



I thought, as it was at a 45 degree angle, the qvB/sqrt(2) would be accurate as a right triangle with a 45 degree angle creates a hypotenuse of sqrt(2)
 
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Hey RobertL! :smile:
RobertL said:
F = q(E + v x B)

… the velocity vector is at an 45° angle with respect to the magnetic field

I thought, as it was at a 45 degree angle, the qvB/sqrt(2) would be accurate as a right triangle with a 45 degree angle creates a hypotenuse of sqrt(2)

Forget about right triangles.

The cross product means sin of the angle, and so it's sin 45° which is 1/√2.
 
Robert,
Your reasoning is correct as far as selecting the correct answer from an offered set but to get the most understanding of the material from this problem as possible, you should work on finding the answer for arbitrary numbers. If it were 33° instead can you write down the answer? Hence tiny-tim's comments.
 
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