Simplifying natural log of complex number

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The problem involves sketching lines of constant real and imaginary parts (u and v) in the image plane for the function Log[(z+1)/(z-1)], where z is expressed as a complex number in the form z=x+iy.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss converting the logarithmic expression into u+iv form, with attempts to express the function in terms of its modulus and argument. Questions arise regarding the simplification of the logarithm of a sum and the justification of generalizations related to the logarithmic properties of complex numbers.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing insights about the modulus and argument of complex numbers. Some express uncertainty about specific steps, while others provide clarifications and affirmations of the reasoning being explored.

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There is a noted complexity due to the presence of the constant term in the logarithmic function, which participants are trying to navigate. The discussion reflects a mix of attempts to understand the properties of logarithms in the context of complex analysis.

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Homework Statement


The problem is to sketch lines of constant u and v in the image plane for the function Log[(z+1)/(z-1)].

Homework Equations



z=x+iy

The Attempt at a Solution



In order to do this I have to get the expression into u+iv form, so that I can read off and manipulate the u and v aspects of the function. What I can't figure out is how to get this equation into u+iv form.

I know that for Ln[z], I can write Ln[reitheta] = Ln[r] + itheta. Then u=Ln[r] and v=theta. But having that added +1 in the natural log is really throwing me off. Does anyone have any ideas for how to get this into u+iv form? Is there some obvious rule for simplifying the logarithm of a sum that I'm forgetting?

Thanks.
 
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\ln f(z) = \ln |f(z)| + i\arg(f(z)).

It might be easier to write \ln\frac{z + 1}{z-1} = \ln(z+1) - \ln(z - 1) first.
 
pasmith said:
\ln f(z) = \ln |f(z)| + i\arg(f(z)).

It might be easier to write \ln\frac{z + 1}{z-1} = \ln(z+1) - \ln(z - 1) first.

Thanks for your response. I think I'm starting to get it now that I've seen it in general form. Here is what I'm getting:

The modulus of (z+1) is [(x+1)2+y2]1/2, since 1 is a real number and therefore addends itself to the x-component of the modulus.

The argument of z+1 remains unchanged and is equal to theta.

Therefore ln(z+1) = ln[(x+1)^2 + y^2]^1/2 + i(theta).

Is that on the right track?

I'm also wondering how you go about justifying the generalization in the first line of your post. It's clearly true when f(z)=z, but how do you get from there to the general case of taking the modulus and the argument more abstractly?
 
Sturk200 said:
Thanks for your response. I think I'm starting to get it now that I've seen it in general form. Here is what I'm getting:

The modulus of (z+1) is [(x+1)2+y2]1/2, since 1 is a real number and therefore addends itself to the x-component of the modulus.

The argument of z+1 remains unchanged and is equal to theta.

Are you sure? \tan (\arg(z+1)) = \frac{y}{x+1} which is not in general equal to \frac yx.

Therefore ln(z+1) = ln[(x+1)^2 + y^2]^1/2 + i(theta).

Is that on the right track?

I'm also wondering how you go about justifying the generalization in the first line of your post. It's clearly true when f(z)=z, but how do you get from there to the general case of taking the modulus and the argument more abstractly?

z in \ln z = \ln |z| + i\arg(z) is just a (non-zero) complex number. You can replace it with any other collection of symbols which represent a (non-zero) complex number and the equation still holds.
 
pasmith said:
Are you sure? tan(arg(z+1))=yx+1\tan (\arg(z+1)) = \frac{y}{x+1} which is not in general equal to yx\frac yx.

O boy, that was pretty dumb. I think I'm actually getting it now.

So ln(z+1) = ln[(x+1)^2+y^2] 1/2+ i[arctan(y/(x+1))]. Is that right?

pasmith said:
zz in lnz=ln|z|+iarg(z)\ln z = \ln |z| + i\arg(z) is just a (non-zero) complex number. You can replace it with any other collection of symbols which represent a (non-zero) complex number and the equation still holds.

That makes so much sense, I don't know why I had a block on it before. Thanks again!
 

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