Simultaneous Equations Challenge

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of simultaneous equations involving three variables, \(a\), \(b\), and \(c\). The equations are quadratic and involve relationships between the variables. The focus is on exploring the implications of the equations and the conditions they impose on the variables.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the first equation requires \(c \ge 0\), which leads to further implications.
  • It is suggested that the second equation, when considered with the first, necessitates \(a > 0\) and refines the condition on \(c\) to \(c > 0\).
  • Another participant points out that the third equation, in conjunction with the established conditions of \(c > 0\) and \(a > 0\), implies \(b > 0\).
  • Multiple participants share their solutions, but the details of these solutions are not provided in the excerpts.

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Participants appear to agree on the implications of the equations regarding the positivity of the variables, but the discussion does not reach a consensus on the solutions themselves, as multiple solutions are presented without resolution.

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The discussion does not clarify the assumptions underlying the solutions or the methods used to arrive at them. There may be unresolved mathematical steps in the proposed solutions.

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Solve the following system in real numbers:

$$a^2+b^2=2c$$

$$1+a^2=2ac$$

$$c^2=ab$$
 
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anemone said:
Solve the following system in real numbers:

$$a^2+b^2=2c$$

$$1+a^2=2ac$$

$$c^2=ab$$

I find it fascinating that the first equation requires $c\ge 0$. Then the second equation in conjunction with the first requires $a>0$, and incidentally tightens the $c$ inequality to $c>0$. Then the third equation, in conjunction with $c>0$ and $a>0$ requires $b>0$. Dominos!
 
My solution
a = b = c = 1.

I have a proof that this is the only solution but I'm looking for something a little more elegant.

If we add the first two equations and then 2 times the third we end up with

$(a-b)^2+(a-c)^2+(c-1)^2 = 0$

then $a = b = c$ and $c = 1$ giving our result.
 
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Jester said:
My solution
a = b = c = 1.

I have a proof that this is the only solution but I'm looking for something a little more elegant.

If we add the first two equations and then 2 times the third we end up with

$(a-b)^2+(a-c)^2+(c-1)^2 = 0$

then $a = b = c$ and $c = 1$ giving our result.

Thank you Jester for participating and your solution is so much neater and shorter than mine! Well done!:)

My solution:
From $$a^2+b^2=2c$$ and $$c^2=ab$$, we have

$$a^2+\frac{c^4}{a^2}=2c\;\rightarrow\;\;a^4-2a^2c+c^4=0$$(*)

And from $$a^2+1=2ac$$ we square both sides and get

$$a^4+2a^2+1-4a^2c^2=0$$(**)

Now, subtracting the equation (*) from (**) gives

$$2a^2+1-2a^2c-c^4=0$$

$$2a^2(1-c)+(1-c^4)=0$$

$$2a^2(1-c)+(1-c)(1+c+c^2+c^3)=0$$

$$(1-c)(2a^2+1+c+c^2+c^3)=0$$

Since a, b, and c >0, $$2a^2+1+c+c^2+c^3 \ne 0$$ and thus it must be $$1-c=0\;\rightarrow\;\;c=1$$.

Back substituting $$c=1$$ to the equation $$a^4-2a^2c+c^4=0$$ and gives

$$a^4-2a^2+1=0$$

$$a^2-1=0$$

$$a^2=\pm1$$ Since $$a>0$$, we conclude that $$a=1$$.

And from $$c=ab$$, we have

$$1=1(b)\;\rightarrow b=1$$.
 

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