Since ε is arbitrarily small, do the inequalities hold?

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The discussion centers on proving the inequalities involving the limit inferior and limit superior of a sequence, specifically that if \( b \leq x_n \leq c \) for all but finitely many \( n \), then \( b \leq \operatorname{lim inf}_{n \to \infty} x_n \) and \( \operatorname{lim sup}_{n \to \infty} x_n \leq c \). Participants clarify definitions and notations, particularly focusing on the definitions of \( \limsup \) and \( \liminf \) as well as the implications of subsequences approaching these limits. The assertion is confirmed that the inequalities hold true under the given conditions.

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If ##b \leq x_n \leq c## for all but a finite number of n, show that ##b \leq \operatorname{lim inf}_{n \to \infty} x_n## and ##\operatorname{lim sup}_{n \to \infty} x_n \leq c_n##
(Buck, Advanced Calculus, Section 1.6, Exercise 24)

Let ##\beta =\operatorname{lim inf}_{n \to \infty} x_n## and ##\alpha = \operatorname{lim sup}_{n \to \infty} x_n##. Let ##\varepsilon## be any number greater than 0. Since ##\beta## and ##\alpha## are limit points, there exists subsequences of integers ##\{n_k\}## and ##\{n_i\}##, both infinite, such that ##|x_{n_k}-\beta| \leq \varepsilon## and ##|x_{n_i}-\alpha| \leq \varepsilon## Then, ##-\varepsilon \geq x_{n_k}-\beta \leq \varepsilon## and ##-\varepsilon \geq x_{n_i}-\alpha \leq \varepsilon##. From this, we get $$b \leq x_{n_k} \leq \beta + \varepsilon$$ and $$\alpha - \varepsilon \leq x_{n_i} \leq c$$ Since ##\varepsilon## is arbitrarily small, is it true that the inequalities above become ##b \leq \beta## and ##\alpha \leq c##
 
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yucheng said:
Since ##\beta## and ##\alpha## and limit points, ##|x_n-\beta| \leq \varepsilon## and ##|x_n-\alpha| \leq \varepsilon##
Did you mean "are"? For which n is that supposed to hold? You didn't specify. What is ##\varepsilon##?
In general alpha and beta can be different, so they cannot both be the limit of the sequence.

Focus on one side, the other one is completely analogous.
 
mfb said:
Did you mean "are"? For which n is that supposed to hold? You didn't specify. What is ##\varepsilon##?
In general alpha and beta can be different, so they cannot both be the limit of the sequence.

Focus on one side, the other one is completely analogous.

I apologize for my inaccurate language. Let me fix my post.
 
I prefer the following definition
$$\limsup x_n=\lim_{n\to\infty}\sup_{k\ge n}\{x_k\}.$$
With this the assertion is clear
 
wrobel said:
I prefer the following definition
$$\limsup x_n=\lim_{n\to\infty}\sup_{k\ge n}\{x_k\}.$$
With this the assertion is clear

Would you clarify which assertion? And what do you mean by ##\operatorname{sup_{k \geq n}}## (specifically ##k \geq n##)? Thanks!
 
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yucheng said:
Would you clarify which assertion?
the assertion you are supposed to prove:
if ##a\le x_n\le b\quad \forall n\in\mathbb{N}## then ##\limsup x_n\le b,\quad \liminf x_n\ge a##
yucheng said:
And what do you mean by (specifically )?
$$\sup_{k\ge n}\{x_k\}=\sup\{x_n,x_{n+1},\ldots\}$$
 

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