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The discussion revolves around finding the direction of the principal axes for the conic equation 5x² + 4xy + 5y² = 9, and understanding the implications of eigenvalues and eigenvectors in this context. Participants are exploring the relationship between the eigenvalues and the resulting equations for the principal axes, as well as the concept of diagonalization in linear algebra.

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  • Participants discuss the determination of the correct form of the new equation based on eigenvalues, questioning whether normalization of eigenvectors is necessary for identifying principal axes. There is also a query about the relevance of the order of eigenvalues and the implications of diagonalization using the rank-nullity theorem.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the nature of axes versus vectors, suggesting that the principal axes are directional lines rather than specific vector representations. Others have raised questions about the diagonalization process and the conditions under which a matrix can be diagonalized, indicating an ongoing exploration of these concepts without reaching a consensus.

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Homework Statement


For the conic, 5x2+4xy+5y2=9, find the direction of the principal axes, sketch the curve.

I found the eigenvalues as
3,7 but have no idea whether the 'new' equation is
3(x')2+7(y')2
or
7(x')2+3(y')2
is there a way to determine which 'way' it goes?

I took a guess and just continued using the first formula:
I found the eigenvectors by substituting the eigenvalues and got:

λ=3, V1 = (-1,1)
λ=7, V2 = (1,1)

I then thought the principal axes would therefore be:
1/√2 (-1,1) and 1/√2 (1,1)
yet the answer seems to indicate the principal axes as, (1,-1) and (1,1), why is that? I thought you had to normalise the vectors to find the principal axes..
 
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Offlinedoctor said:
no idea whether the 'new' equation is
3(x')2+7(y')2
or
7(x')2+3(y')2
is there a way to determine which 'way' it goes?
x' and y' are just names. They don't relate in any particular way to x and y respectively. Might as well be u and v. So the two versions you offer are really the same.
I then thought the principal axes would therefore be:
1/√2 (-1,1) and 1/√2 (1,1)
yet the answer seems to indicate the principal axes as, (1,-1) and (1,1), why is that?
They're just directions. I don't see any requirement for them to be normalised.
 
Offlinedoctor said:

Homework Statement


For the conic, 5x2+4xy+5y2=9, find the direction of the principal axes, sketch the curve.

I found the eigenvalues as
3,7 but have no idea whether the 'new' equation is
3(x')2+7(y')2
or
7(x')2+3(y')2
is there a way to determine which 'way' it goes?

I took a guess and just continued using the first formula:
I found the eigenvectors by substituting the eigenvalues and got:

λ=3, V1 = (-1,1)
λ=7, V2 = (1,1)

I then thought the principal axes would therefore be:
1/√2 (-1,1) and 1/√2 (1,1)
yet the answer seems to indicate the principal axes as, (1,-1) and (1,1), why is that? I thought you had to normalise the vectors to find the principal axes..
"Axes" are lines not vectors- they do not have a specific length nor can they be written as vectors. The axes are neither "(1/\sqrt{2})(-1, 1)" and (1/\sqrt{2})(1, 1) nor "(-1, 1) and (1, 1)". The axes are lines in the directions of those vectors: y= -x in the direction of (-1, 1) and y= x in the direction of (1, 1).
 
Okay, that seems to make more sense. So does order really not matter after we've found the eigenvalues?

Also, I asked my lecturer this, but she couldn't properly explain the concept of diagonlisation using nullity.
Example.
|2 1 0|
|0 2 0|
|0 0 -3|

I'm trying to determine whether that is diagonizable or not, but have trouble understanding how to do it using the rank, nullity theorem.
 
You can't "using the rank, nullity theorem". You have to actually find the eigenvalues and then try to find the eigenvectors. Since the matrix here is diagonal, its eigenvalues are just 2 and -3, the numbers on the diagonal. There will be a one dimensional subspace of eigenvectors corresponding to eigenvalue 3 but we do not know yet if the eigenspace corresponding to eigenvalue 2 has dimension one or two. If it has dimension two, then there are two independent vectors in it and, adding an eigenvector corresponding to eigenvalue 3 gives a basis for R3 and the matrix, written in that basis, is diagonal. If it has dimension 1, the matrix cannot be diagonalized.
If \begin{bmatrix}x \\ y \\ z \end{bmatrix} is an eigenvalue corresponding to eigenvalue 2, then we must have
\begin{bmatrix}2 & 2 & 0 \\ 0 & 2 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & -3\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}x \\ y \\ z \end{bmatrix}= 2\begin{bmatrix}x \\ y \\ z \end{bmatrix}
\begin{bmatrix}2x+ 2y \\ 2y \\ -3z \end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix}2x \\ 2y \\ 2z\end{bmatrix}

which is equivalent to the three equations 2x+ 2y= 2x, 2y= 2y, and -3z= 2z. The first equation says y= 0 and the third equation says z= 0. x is undetermined so eigenvectors corresponding to eigenvalue 2 are all multiples of \begin{bmatrix}1 \\ 0 \\ 0 \end{bmatrix}. The eigenspace has dimension 1 so the matrix is NOT diagonalizable.
 

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