Skewness, logarithm and reversing in statistics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the statistical treatment of a negatively skewed distribution in the context of visual-spatial working memory and its relation to math skills in children. Participants explore the implications of reversing the distribution and applying logarithmic transformation to enable parametric tests.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that "reversing" the data means transforming it to have a positive skew before applying logarithmic transformation, which is commonly used to normalize positively skewed data.
  • Others question the necessity of reversing the distribution, asking why parametric tests cannot be applied to negatively skewed data.
  • A participant suggests that the effectiveness of reversing and logarithmic transformation depends on the specific parametric tests being used, which were not detailed in the original article.
  • It is noted that logarithmic transformation does not correct negative skewness, raising questions about the rationale behind the proposed method.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of reversing the skewness and whether it aids in normalizing the data for parametric tests.
  • One participant mentions that while some parametric tests require normal distributions, not all do, indicating a potential area of confusion regarding the assumptions of different tests.
  • A later reply suggests that the authors might have aimed to normalize the data to apply standard statistical tests and then transform the results back to the original scale, although this is contingent on the methods used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the necessity and effectiveness of reversing the distribution and applying logarithmic transformation. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the best approach or the reasoning behind the authors' methodology.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding due to the lack of specification regarding the parametric tests used and the methods employed in the original article. There is also uncertainty about the assumptions underlying the statistical tests discussed.

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I need some advice,

What could it possibly mean, in an article I am studying, where the results of a test (visual-spatial working memory) in relation to a variable (Maths skills in kids) is being discussed as follows:

"The distribution of the variable was so negatively skewed, that it was reversed and then logarithm was used to enable parametric tests"

Of course these are in my own words (I´m reading in finnish), but I don´t think I have left anything important out. So I know what skewness and logarithm are, but I am puzzled about the reversing? Why would you reverse a distribution? To enable parametric tests? Why?
 
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I assume they mean that they "reversed" the data so that it had a positive skew, and then took the logarithm (a common transformation for normalizing positively skewed data).
 
Drudge said:
Why would you reverse a distribution? To enable parametric tests? Why?

I'll guess that the answer to that depends on the particular parametric tests that were used. What were they?

I don't know what "reverse" means. Did they define a new distribution g(x) by g(x) = f(-x) where f was the old distribution?
 
Number Nine said:
I assume they mean that they "reversed" the data so that it had a positive skew, and then took the logarithm (a common transformation for normalizing positively skewed data).

Yes, reversed and then logarithm. But why does it have to be reversed? What´s the idea?

Why can´t parametric tests be applied to negatively skewed data?

Stephen Tashi said:
I'll guess that the answer to that depends on the particular parametric tests that were used. What were they? ?

None are specified. The only thing that is said is that they are using Pearson product-moment correlation (and "partial correlation"?).
 
Yes, reversed and then logarithm. But why does it have to be reversed?

The logarithm will not correct a negative skew.

Why can´t parametric tests be applied to negatively skewed data?

Because all statistical tests have assumptions. Many standard parametric tests don't work well with heavily skewed data.
 
Number Nine said:
The logarithm will not correct a negative skew.

Yes I understand

Number Nine said:
Because all statistical tests have assumptions. Many standard parametric tests don't work well with heavily skewed data.

O, is it to make the distribution more like a normal distribution, or to "normalize" it, because only normal distributions are compatible with parametric tests?

EDIT: No wait, I don´t. you mean logarithm does not fix skewness? If parametric tests don´t work on heavily skewed data, and logarithm does not fix skewness and reversing only changes the sign (from negative to positive) of the skewness, what help was there to reverse and do logarithm?
 
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I believe what the authors were attempting to do was to normalize the data, so that they can apply standard statistical test to the data and then transform the information back to the original scale. This is possible for some skew data, but not all. It's impossible for us to say if it was reasonable to do so without looking and understanding the methods used. Nevertheless, the author probably felt that taking the log and applying statistical test could give a reasonable mean and confidence interval. (As far as I know the s.d. should not be transformed.)
 
Drudge said:
because only normal distributions are compatible with parametric tests?

There are many parametric tests that require that the distributions involved be normal. Not all parametric tests require this.
 
Number Nine said:
I assume they mean that they "reversed" the data so that it had a positive skew, and then took the logarithm (a common transformation for normalizing positively skewed data).

So logarithm fixes positively skewed data, but not negatively skewed, and hence the reverse?
 

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