Slope of Tangent Line for y = sin(2πx) at x = 1 and x = 2

[DB]

really isn't calculus but that's the name of my class so, anyway I am having a problem here. i think its pretty simple I am just missing something. I am supposed to find the slope of the tangent line using one point and:

slope of tangent line =

\frac{f(a+h)-f(a)}{h}

h\rightarrow0

find slope of tangent line:

f(x)=\frac{1}{x}

at a=2

so,

\frac{1}{2+h}-\frac{1}{2}*\frac{1}{h}

common denominator X by (1+h)

\frac{1}{2+h}-\frac{1+h}{2+h}*\frac{1}{h}

\frac{1-1-h}{2+h}*\frac{1}{h}

\frac{-2-h}{2+h}*\frac{1}{h}

\frac{-1(2+h)}{2+h}*\frac{1}{h}

\frac{-1}{h}

make "h" zero and I am stuck...

 

[d_leet]

Ummm... Is 1/2 the same as (1+h)/(2+h)?

 

[DB]

thanks

okay stupid mistake, now I am stuck again tho

\frac{2}{2(2+h)}-\frac{(2+h)}{2(2+h)}*\frac{1}{h}

comes out to

\frac{-1}{h}}*\frac{1}{h}

gives me -1/h which doesn't work, darn

 

[d_leet]

You need a factor of h in the first denominator for the denominators to be equal.

 

[DB]

i don't understand

 

[d_leet]

The denominator of the first term expanded is (4+2h) while the second term's denominator is (4h+2h²)

 

[DB]

but those are different terms, arent i looking for a common denominator?

 

[benorin]

If f(x)=\frac{1}{x}, then

\frac{f(a+h)-f(a)}{h} = \frac{\frac{1}{2+h}-\frac{1}{2}}{h} = \frac{1}{h(2+h)}-\frac{1}{2h} = \frac{2-(2+h)}{2h(2+h)}
=-\frac{1}{2(2+h)}\rightarrow -\frac{1}{4} \mbox{ as }h\rightarrow 0

 

[d_leet]

but those are different terms, arent i looking for a common denominator?

Yes which is why you need to multiply the first term by h/h so that you have a common denominator.

 

[DB]

thanks for the replies, but i don't understand how the c.d is 2h(2+h)

 

[DB]

finally, got it

 

[Skhandelwal]

I was wondering one thing about tangent line. Since tangent lines can also be secant line, I actually had a question about secant line. Is it possible for a secant line to intersect 2 consecutive points of a curve? I guess what I am trying to get to is, in a curve, can two, next to each other points be in a straight line?

 

[d_leet]

I was wondering one thing about tangent line. Since tangent lines can also be secant line, I actually had a question about secant line. Is it possible for a secant line to intersect 2 consecutive points of a curve? I guess what I am trying to get to is, in a curve, can two, next to each other points be in a straight line?

What do you mean by two consecutive points? Between any two points on a curve there are an infinite number of other points so there really isn't such a thing as consecutive points in the way you are probably thinking. But if you mean like 2 points on a curve where say x = 1 and x = 2, then sure you just have to find a function with equal derivatives at those points, I can't think this through completely right now but that's the gist of it.

 

[Skhandelwal]

Can you give me an example?

 

[d_leet]

Can you give me an example?

Can you give me one of what you mean by consecutive points?

 

[bomba923]

But if you mean like 2 points on a curve where say x = 1 and x = 2, then sure you just have to find a function with equal derivatives at those points

Can you give me an example?

Are you referring to something like y=sin(2πx) ?
It has equal derivatives at x=1 and x=2 (i.e., y'(1)=y'(2)=2π)

 

[d_leet]

Are you referring to something like y=sin(2πx) ?
It has equal derivatives at x=1 and x=2 (i.e., y'(1)=y'(2)=2π)

No not quite, since that gives a nice counterexample to what I was thinking, errr... I guess not what i was thinking but what I wrote since what I was thinking was that if there are two points on a curve, if the derivative at both of these points are equal and the tangent lines at each point have the same y intercept then they must be the same line and the tangent line would be a secant line. With a sine function like the one you mention you'll have the equal derivatives and hence slopes of the tangent lines are the same but the y intercepts are different. But again with that same function consider y=1 this will be tangent to that curve for x=1/4+n where n is an integer, but this probably isn't quite what the original poster was talking about and isn't exactly what i was either. If you still don't get what I mean I'll try and write up a better post and find a good example of this tomorrow.

 

[bomba923]

Perhaps you were thinking of y=cos(2πx) ?
Where y'(1)=y'(2)=0 and the single line y=1 is tangent to y(x) at x=1 and x=2
(generally, as y=1 is tangent to y(x) here for all integer 'x')

 

[d_leet]

Perhaps you were thinking of y=cos(2πx) ?
Where y'(1)=y'(2)=0 and the single line y=1 is tangent to y(x) at x=1 and x=2
(generally, as y=1 is tangent to y(x) here for all integer 'x')

Well y=1 is tangent to sin(2πx) for all x of the form 1/4+n where n is an integer, isn't it? Because you would have sinn(π/2 + 2πn) which is 1 for every integer n, isn't it? You're example works to, and is better than mine since you don't have to have the 1/4 part.