Slope w.r.t Origin: Difference, Usage & Examples

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of slope with respect to the origin versus slope at a point on a curve. Participants explore the definitions, usefulness, and applications of these concepts in mathematical contexts, particularly in relation to curves and tangent lines.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the usefulness of "slope with respect to the origin," suggesting it merely measures the slope of a line segment from the origin to a point on the curve.
  • Others argue that the slope at a point on a curve is more significant as it indicates the direction and steepness of the curve, particularly in relation to a tangent line.
  • One participant notes that their textbook does not use the term "slope with respect to the origin," raising doubts about its validity in academic literature.
  • There is a suggestion that the smallest slope occurs at the point where a line segment from the origin meets the curve, prompting further inquiry into the distinction between different types of slopes.
  • Some participants express confusion over the terminology and seek clarification on how these concepts are represented in their textbook examples.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the usefulness and definition of "slope with respect to the origin," with multiple competing views on its relevance compared to the slope at a point on a curve. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific figures from a textbook (Fig. 4.25 and Fig. 4.26) to illustrate their points, but there is uncertainty regarding the terminology and the interpretation of the figures in relation to the slopes discussed.

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What is the difference between slope w.r.t origin and slope at a point on the curve and when are they used ?
 
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"Slope with respect to the origin" is not a very useful concept, I don't believe. In the drawing on the right, the curve you drew might as well not be there. All you are doing is measuring the slope of the line segment between the origin and some point. The slope at a point on a curve is very useful, as it gives you an idea of the direction of the curve. If a bug were walking along the curve, the tangent line to the curve would point in the same direction the bug is moving. The slope of the tangent line tells you how steeply the curve is rising or falling (or possibly staying level).
 
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Mark44 said:
"Slope with respect to the origin" is not a very useful concept, I don't believe. In the drawing on the right, the curve you drew might as well not be there. All you are doing is measuring the slope of the line segment between the origin and some point. The slope at a point on a curve is very useful, as it gives you an idea of the direction of the curve. If a bug were walking along the curve, the tangent line to the curve would point in the same direction the bug is moving. The slope of the tangent line tells you how steeply the curve is rising or falling (or possibly staying level).
I just came across an example which used slope w.r.t origin. Can you please walk me through the solution
 
In the photo of your textbook page there is no mention of "slope with respect to the origin." In Fig 4.26, they are comparing the slopes of several line segments going from the origin to various points on the curve. They note that the point at which the slope is smallest is the point for which the tangent line coincides with a line segment from the origin to that point. Does your book actually use this terminology "slope with respect to the origin"? I've never seen it in any textbook.

I still maintain that it is not a very useful concept. The important concept is the slope of the tangent line to a curve at a point on the curve.
 
Mark44 said:
In the photo of your textbook page there is no mention of "slope with respect to the origin." In Fig 4.26, they are comparing the slopes of several line segments going from the origin to various points on the curve. They note that the point at which the slope is smallest is the point for which the tangent line coincides with a line segment from the origin to that point. Does your book actually use this terminology "slope with respect to the origin"? I've never seen it in any textbook.

I still maintain that it is not a very useful concept. The important concept is the slope of the tangent line to a curve at a point on the curve.
No, the text does not use the terminology "slope with respect to the origin", now that I've come across this example I thought that there might exist such a concept.
Don't you think the smallest slope is at point where the first line segment meets the curve in the Fig. 4.26 ? (If we consider the slope at a point on the curve).

Here's the question for the previous solution.
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BTW, the Fig. 4.25 is same as the Fig.4.26
 
Mayank Totloor said:
No, the text does not use the terminology "slope with respect to the origin", now that I've come across this example I thought that there might exist such a concept.
Don't you think the smallest slope is at point where the first line segment meets the curve in the Fig. 4.26 ? (If we consider the slope at a point on the curve).
No, but that's a reasonable question. You have to distinguish between "slope at a point on the curve" and "slope of the segment to a point on the curve." In the solution for Example 5, it says, "Figure 4.26 shows that g/v is the slope of the line from the origin to the point P."
In the image of Fig. 4.26, the slope of the tangent line at the left-most point is less than at the other two points shown in this graph, but that's not what they're comparing.
 
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