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The discussion centers around the challenges and considerations faced by an undergraduate math major from a lesser-known public liberal arts college who is contemplating pursuing a graduate degree in mathematics. Participants explore the implications of attending a small college on graduate school admissions, the importance of academic performance, and potential research opportunities.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about being at a disadvantage for graduate school admissions due to attending a lesser-known institution and not having a high GPA.
  • Another participant shares their personal experience of successfully transitioning from a small college to a prestigious graduate program, suggesting that graduates from small colleges do gain admission to graduate schools.
  • A third participant provides an anecdote about a physician who also attended a small school and went on to achieve advanced degrees, indicating that success is possible regardless of undergraduate institution.
  • There is a suggestion to consult with math professors about the success rates of previous students from the college in gaining admission to graduate programs, emphasizing the relevance of institutional statistics.
  • One participant mentions that the department primarily serves secondary education majors, which may affect the number of students pursuing graduate studies in math.
  • Another participant references a link to a forum discussing admissions from similar colleges, indicating that there are examples of successful applicants from small institutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that it is possible for students from small colleges to gain admission to graduate programs, but there is no consensus on the extent of the disadvantage faced by such students or the best strategies for improving their chances.

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Limitations include the lack of specific data on the success rates of applicants from the participant's college and the potential influence of the department's focus on secondary education on graduate school aspirations.

Who May Find This Useful

Undergraduate students considering graduate school, particularly those from smaller institutions, and those interested in understanding the admissions landscape for advanced degrees in mathematics.

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I'm currently a sophomore math major at a locally known, but nationally unheard of public liberal arts college. Recently, I've decided that I want to pursue a graduate degree in math. I was looking around at various institutions, and a couple listed the schools that incoming PhD students were coming from schools like MIT, Michigan State, Cornell, etc. There didn't seem to be any successful applicants coming from small liberal arts colleges.
Am I at a significant disadvantage coming from a relatively unknown school without having something like a 4.0 GPA?
Is there anything beyond taking all the math that I can, and trying to do as much research as possible that will help me out?
Since there's no math research going on (with the exception of math being applied for biology, etc.) here, are there any research opportunities other than summer programs like REUs?
 
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Graduates of small colleges do get into grad school. I was one myself, going from a small college in Ohio to the University of Michigan for a Ph.D. in physics. But fewer students graduate from small schools, overall, than from big ones, so they're a minority of the grad school applicant pool to begin with.

Have you asked your math professors how many students from your school have tried to get into grad school, how many were successful, and where they went? The answers to those questions are the most relevant to your current situation. They should be available, because colleges have to collect statistics like that for the reports that they prepare for accreditation.
 
I shadowed a physician last semester that did exactly what you are asking about. He went to a very small school nearby as a chemistry major. After graduating from this unheard of school he went on to receive a Ph.D in organic chemistry from Johns Hopkins University and later an MD. It's definitely not impossible to get into a great school after going to a small undergrad school.
 
jeffasinger said:
I'm currently a sophomore math major at a locally known, but nationally unheard of public liberal arts college. Recently, I've decided that I want to pursue a graduate degree in math. I was looking around at various institutions, and a couple listed the schools that incoming PhD students were coming from schools like MIT, Michigan State, Cornell, etc. There didn't seem to be any successful applicants coming from small liberal arts colleges.
Am I at a significant disadvantage coming from a relatively unknown school without having something like a 4.0 GPA?
Is there anything beyond taking all the math that I can, and trying to do as much research as possible that will help me out?
Since there's no math research going on (with the exception of math being applied for biology, etc.) here, are there any research opportunities other than summer programs like REUs?

Numerous students from colleges similar to yours have been admitted to quality grad schools:

http://www.physicsgre.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1847
 
Thanks for the advice, I talked to a professor in my department and he said that relatively few people apply, but mentioned a couple people that he knew of that were successful at getting into PhD programs.
The department mostly just serves as an area for secondary education majors to concentrate in.
 

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