Small turboshaft turbine with 140kW

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design and efficiency considerations of a small turboshaft turbine intended to produce 140 kW, with applications in light helicopters and industrial co-generation. Participants explore the efficiencies of various components, including the compressor, turbine, and combustion chamber, as well as the challenges associated with smaller turbine sizes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks references on the efficiencies of components in small turboshaft turbines.
  • Another suggests that basic thermodynamics texts covering the Brayton cycle could be useful.
  • A participant notes that efficiencies for small or micro turbines typically range from 70% to 80%, which is lower than larger turbines.
  • There is a discussion about the need for specific efficiency values to perform calculations, with one participant expressing the need to arbitrate efficiencies to begin their calculations.
  • One participant questions whether the project is adapting an existing engine or is entirely conceptual, suggesting that contacting vendors might yield useful information.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the lower efficiencies of small turbines compared to larger ones, but there is no consensus on specific sources or methods to obtain the necessary efficiency values for calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to acquire this information.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for temperature and pressure data to calculate efficiencies, indicating that the discussion is limited by the availability of these parameters and the definitions of efficiencies.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for engineers and students involved in the design of small turboshaft turbines, particularly those interested in efficiency metrics and preliminary project planning.

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hello, i have a project of a small turboshaft turbine with regenerator to produce a power of 140 kW, with aplications on ligth helicopters and industrial co-generation. does aonyone knows here i can find some references about te eficciencies of the components, such as compressor, turbine, combustion chamber?
 
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Sure. Any basic thermo text that covers the Brayton cycle.
 
i know that, but the problem is that for a small or micro turbine, the eficiency of the compressor, turbine, the saft that link the compressor to turbine and the free power turbine is less than normal, it´s about 70% to 80%, what i need is some information to choose and explain qhy i choose this or that eficience of the components
 
I know about the slight reduction when getting down to that size. However, the way to calculate the efficiencies and their definitions do not change. You need to be able to take the required data and crunch the numbers yourself. I can't think of any source that specifically deals with

Are you adapting an existing engine or is this something that is in the conceptual stage? You may try contacting vendors directly, but, if they are anything like we are, you're not going to get very far. It's worth a shot though.
 
the project is in the conceptual stage... it´s a preliminar project, to have some ideia about a turboshaft turbine that produces 140kw. i´m not using another tipe of engine, and to make the calculations i need the eficiencies, i knoe that i can obten them from de definitions, but for that i have to calculate anda have the temperatures end pressures. and for that i need the eficiences! so i have to arbitrate some eficiences to be able to start my calculations.
 

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