Smoothness of potential energy and powers of momentum

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The discussion revolves around the smoothness of potential energy functions in the context of the one-dimensional stationary Schrödinger equation and its implications for the behavior of momentum operators and their powers. Participants explore the relationship between the smoothness of potential energy and the convergence or divergence of momentum expectations for energy eigenstates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if the potential energy V(x) lacks C-infinity smoothness, then certain powers of momentum, , may diverge, citing examples from finite and infinite square well potentials.
  • Another participant counters that there is no a priori requirement for arbitrary powers of momentum to exist, and questions the validity of using the momentum operator in the context of the infinite square well due to issues with self-adjointness.
  • A participant acknowledges the previous point and reflects on the influence of the Hamiltonian or potential energy on the proper definition of the momentum operator, referencing external documents that discuss momentum in the infinite square well.
  • One participant posits that a square well potential resembling C-infinity smooth functions would yield finite , but notes that divergence occurs as the smoothness parameter approaches zero, linking this to the smoothness of wave function derivatives.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of potential smoothness for momentum operators and their powers. There is no consensus on the validity of the assumptions regarding the divergence of or the proper definition of the momentum operator in specific contexts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the assumptions about potential smoothness and the mathematical properties of the momentum operator, particularly in relation to boundary conditions and the nature of the potential energy functions.

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Hi. In case potential energy V(x) in one dimensional stationary Shrodinger equation does not have smoothness of C-infinity, I assume that some power n of momentum for an energy eigenstate, <p^n>, diverge. Finite square well potential gives infinite <p^n> for n=6,8,10,.. for example. <p^4> also diverges for infinite square well. Could you advise me if the assumption is right? Thanks in advance.
 
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There's no apriori requirement that the arbitrary power of momentum exists, much less the energy eigenvectors being all in the domain of pn. Speaking of p in case of the infinite square well (with 'physical boundary conditions') is a little illegal, since p = -ihbar d/dx is not an observable (it's not selfadjoint).
 
Thanks. You taught me that I should not be upset in case <p^n.> diverges.
Whether we can define momentum operator properly or not is influenced by Hamiltonian or potential energy V(x) of the system, right? Some documents, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_in_a_box, discuss momentum in infinite square well. Some difficulty seems to lie here.
Thank you again.
 
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I assumed that square well potential like C-infinity smooth functions, e.g.
V(x)=\frac{V_0}{2}(tanh\frac{x-a}{\delta}-tanh\frac{x+a}{\delta}),\delta&gt;0
give finite <p^n>. It diverges as delta goes to zero.
That's the reason why I was keen on smoothness of V(x) that could originate smoothness of n-derivative of wave functions.
 

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