Snell's law and inverse function

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The discussion revolves around Snell's law, specifically the relationship between angles of incidence and refraction in different media. Participants are tasked with expressing the angle of refraction as a function of the angle of incidence and determining the maximum angle of incidence for which this expression is valid.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the mathematical relationship defined by Snell's law and the implications of using the inverse sine function. There is a focus on the conditions under which the angle of incidence leads to total internal reflection.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the assumptions made regarding the media's refractive indices and the validity of the derived expressions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the implications of different configurations of the media, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

There are mentions of potential mismatches between diagrams and the text, particularly concerning the conditions under which total internal reflection occurs. Participants are also considering the implications of the refractive index being greater than or less than one.

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Homework Statement


Snap1.jpg
Snell's law is:
$$\frac{\sin\theta_1}{c_1}=\frac{\sin\theta_2}{c_2}$$
$$\frac{c_1}{c_2}=n_{12}$$
Express ##\theta_2## as a function of ##\theta_1##
Find the largest value of ##\theta_1## for which the expression for ##\theta_2## that you just found is defined (for larger values of ##\theta_1## than this the incoming light will be reflected).

Homework Equations


Inverse sine: ##y=\sin^{-1}(x)~\rightarrow~\sin(y)=x##

The Attempt at a Solution


$$\sin ( \theta_2 )=\frac{\sin( \theta_1 ) }{n_{12}}~\rightarrow~\sin^{-1}\left( \frac{\sin( \theta_1 )}{n_{12}} \right)=\theta_2$$
##\theta_2## can be ##\frac{\pi}{2}## at the max:
$$\sin^{-1}\left( \frac{\sin( \theta_1 )}{n_{12}} \right)=\frac{\pi}{2}~~\rightarrow~~\sin\left( \frac{\pi}{2} \right)=\frac{\sin(\theta_1)}{n_{12}}$$
$$\Rightarrow~\sin(\theta_1)=n_{12}\sin\left( \frac{\pi}{2} \right)=n_{12}$$
$$\theta_1<\arcsin(n_{12})$$
I didn't use at all the definition of inverse function in the second question, i feel what i have done isn't what it's meant from the chapter of inverse functions
 
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Karol said:
I didn't use at all the definition of inverse function in the second question
Not sure what you mean by that. The answer you gave involved an inverse function, and your final step involved inverting the sine function. Can you be more specific about what it is that you feel you have not used?
By the way, the diagram doesn't match the text. It clearly shows a case with c2>c1, whereas the text assumes the reverse.
 
haruspex said:
the diagram doesn't match the text. It clearly shows a case with c2>c1, whereas the text assumes the reverse.
How does the text show anything about the diagram? only the last formula: ##\theta_1<\arcsin(n_{12})## to my opinion, may show something in that direction.
if ##c_2>c_1~~\rightarrow~\sin(\theta_2)>\sin(\theta_2)~\rightarrow~\theta_2>\theta_1## and the diagram shows the inverse.
The diagram for ##c_2>c_1## must be:
Snap1.jpg

for ##c_2>c_1~\rightarrow~n_{12}<1## and ##\theta_1## has a definite value and that's correct.
 
Karol said:
How does the text show anything about the diagram?
I confused you by incorrectly describing the mismatch.
The diagram shows an example of c1>c2, as you say. But in that case there is no limit (before π/2) on θ1. n12>0, so the arcsin of it is not defined.
Your second diagram, with c2>c1, makes more sense. E.g. total internal reflection can occur from water (low c) to air (high c), but not the other way around.
 
haruspex said:
The diagram shows an example of c1>c2, as you say. But in that case there is no limit (before π/2) on θ1. n12>0, so the arcsin of it is not defined.
Your second diagram, with c2>c1, makes more sense. E.g. total internal reflection can occur from water (low c) to air (high c), but not the other way around.
True, that is also why i thought my answer wasn't right, since there is no limit for ##\theta_1## if ##n_{12}>1##
 

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