So gravity obviously is the differing rates of expansion of Matter vs

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The discussion revolves around the nature of gravity and its relationship with the expansion of matter and space. Participants explore various hypotheses regarding whether matter expands, how this relates to gravity, and the implications for cosmic structures like black holes and galaxies. The conversation includes technical reasoning and conceptual clarifications, with some participants expressing confusion and disagreement.

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  • Some participants propose that gravity results from differing rates of expansion between matter and space, suggesting that matter expands faster than space.
  • Others argue that matter does not expand, asserting that gravity is a result of the curvature of space due to mass.
  • A participant suggests that black holes might increase in size rapidly, despite not being composed of atoms.
  • Some claim that the apparent lack of matter expansion is due to the rapid expansion of space, which makes it seem as though matter is not increasing in size.
  • There are assertions that inertia and gravity are interconnected, with some participants challenging this view by stating that inertia exists independently of gravity.
  • One participant references Einstein's work on the relationship between gravity and inertia, but this does not directly address the claims about matter expansion.
  • Several participants request evidence for the claim that matter is increasing in size, indicating a need for empirical support for the arguments presented.

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Participants generally disagree on the nature of matter and its relationship to gravity and expansion. Multiple competing views remain, with no consensus reached on whether matter expands or how it relates to gravity.

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Some claims rely on assumptions about the nature of matter and gravity that are not universally accepted. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the definitions of terms like "expansion" and "inertia," as well as the implications of these concepts in different contexts.

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So gravity obviously is the differing rates of expansion of Matter vs Space. Matter is increasing size faster than space. The more matter you have the faster matter expands in relation to space. Or maybe conversely space is shrinking. I don't know which yet and maybe it relative. Could this explain why matter clusters (galaxies) are increasing in distance in faster in relation to each other faster and faster?
 
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Matter does not expand. What you are saying does not make sense.
 


doh I am an idiot...atoms are expanding. so the larger an object is the faster this rate would be. so simple
 


Atoms are not expanding.
 


but black holes...they would be increasing in size the fastest and have no atoms...maybe its subatomic.
 


obviously it does in relation to space...that why you have gravity
 


I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume maybe you're having trouble expressing what you mean, but what you're saying is nonsensical.

Gravity is the curvature of space due to mass. There's no matter or atoms that are expanding.

I don't know what you're trying to say about black holes.
 


sure matter doesn't "appear" to be increasing in size. Space is increasing fast enough that it doesn't seem like matter is increasing in size. But the differences of rates of expansion of space and matter when you are near matter, are what make it become apparent
 


Gomjabbar said:
sure matter doesn't "appear" to be increasing in size. Space is increasing fast enough that it doesn't seem like matter is increasing in size. But the differences of rates of expansion of space and matter when you are near matter, are what make it become apparent

What evidence do you have that matter is increasing in size? A paper you can refer too? A study?

Your answer will determine whether this thread stays open or gets locked.
 
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maybe inflation never stopped...the rates of expansion could be HUGE.
 
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let me make it simple. You are in space and are not moving. a large object near you is increasing in size rapidly. What happens?
 
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Gomjabbar said:
let me make it simple. You are in space and are not moving. a large object near you is increasing in size rapidly. What happens?

Answer my question. What evidence do you have that matter is increasing in size?
 
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inertia is gravity...gravity is inertia
 
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I can show the studies for that
 
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Gomjabbar said:
inertia is gravity...gravity is inertia

This is not true. Objects experience inertia quite happily far from any gravity source. A 100kg man floating in interstellar space is still a 100kg man, and it will take just as much fuel to move him.You need to do some reading on this subject, ideally from books other than the ones you're reading.
 
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The relationship between gravity and inertia was the motivation for general relativity is expressed in an article Einstein wrote which appeared in the February 17, 1921 issue of Nature:

an gravitation and inertia be identical? This question leads directly to the General Theory of Relativity. Is it not possible for me to regard the Earth as free from rotation, if I conceive of the centrifugal force, which acts on all bodies at rest relatively to the earth, as being a "real" gravitational field of gravitation, or part of such a field? If this idea can be carried out, then we shall have proved in very truth the identity of gravitation and inertia. For the same property which is regarded as inertia from the point of view of a system not taking part of the rotation can be interpreted as gravitation when considered with respect to a system that shares this rotation. According to Newton, this interpretation is impossible, because in Newton's theory there is no "real" field of the "Coriolis-field" type. But perhaps Newton's law of field could be replaced by another that fits in with the field which holds with respect to a "rotating" system of co-ordinates? My conviction of the identity of inertial and gravitational mass aroused within me the feeling of absolute confidence in the correctness of this interpretation.
 
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None of this answers the question as to what makes you think atoms are expanding.

This thread is flagged for locking. Make your sentences short.
 
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but that man is matter...inertia is the key. We resist movement. We are resisting the expansion of the earth. It doesn't matter if its in space or near a planet.
 
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You are confused, moving from unrelated point to point, making non-sensical assertions, ignoring specific questions.

This thread is bound for locking.

Take some time to do some reading.
 
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whatever
 
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google "gravity and inertia" I don't have the time to explain that to ya
 
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Thread locked pending moderation.

Gomjabber, stop using text speech and start making sense.
 

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