So what is the aim of being billionaire?

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The discussion revolves around the motivations and implications of being a billionaire, exploring themes of wealth, happiness, societal impact, and economic systems. Participants debate the relationship between money and pleasure, the responsibilities of the wealthy, and the effects of wealth distribution on society.

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  • Some participants suggest that pleasure is the ultimate aim of life, questioning the necessity of extreme wealth beyond a certain point.
  • Others argue that happiness is subjective, and the amount of money needed for happiness varies from person to person.
  • One viewpoint posits that the pursuit of wealth is driven by enjoyment in making money, while also highlighting the potential for greed and selfishness among the wealthy.
  • Concerns are raised about the societal implications of wealth concentration, with some arguing that a strong economy can exist without extreme wealth held by a few individuals.
  • Participants discuss the role of billionaires in supporting businesses and the economy, suggesting that their wealth can promote job creation and economic health.
  • Some express skepticism about the moral implications of wealth, particularly in light of economic disparity and the existence of poverty.
  • There are contrasting views on whether billionaires have a responsibility to give away their wealth, with some advocating for loans rather than handouts to the poor.
  • Participants also critique the ostentatious displays of wealth, such as luxury items, as wasteful and indicative of broader societal issues.

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Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views on the purpose of wealth, the responsibilities of billionaires, and the implications of wealth distribution remain. The discussion reflects a range of opinions on the relationship between money and happiness, as well as the moral responsibilities of the wealthy.

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Some arguments depend on subjective definitions of happiness and wealth, while others highlight the complexities of economic systems and the varying impacts of wealth on society. The discussion includes unresolved assumptions about the nature of wealth and its societal implications.

  • #91
montoyas7940 said:
I am pretty dadgummed far from England, but I know the term. Have you heard of Irish Bull?

No what's that an Irishman who's kissed the blarney stone? :smile: I don't mind being pulled up for anything, if I am in fact guilty of it, but I obviously know ten times more about Irish culture than the people who considered the term racist? I wouldn't be surprised - knowing the sense of humour the Irish have about themselves from personal experience - if they didn't invent the term themselves. They certainly claim credit for 75% of Irish jokes. :smile: I say they, as I'm only half Irish.
 
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  • #92
Here is sense A.4 of the headword Irish in the OED

OED said:
Irish in character or nature; having what are considered
Irish characteristics. spec. Used of seemingly contradictory
statements. (See also Irish hurricane s.v. sense A. 2c.)

It gives several examples that confirm the 'back to front' description, I like this one best:

OED quoting 1970 R. Hill Clubbable Woman vi. 192 said:
'Marcus wouldn't dare to tell a lie like that unless it was true!'
'Irish,' said Pascoe.

Irish bull has an entry in wiki with some hilarious examples:

wiki quoting Sir Boyle Roche (paraphrased) said:
Why should we do anything for posterity? What has posterity ever done for us?
 
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  • #93
Hehe, that's pretty funny. Yeah the same thing I suppose. I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't where the term comes from, ie it has an Irish derivation, they are rather famous for sending themselves up. My Grandmother was an Irish Romany Gypsy. :smile: Ever seen Snatch, they're like them but richer and more culturally snobbish. They'd probably look down on the "pikeys" in that movie. To them they would use it as racial slur, oddly enough. :smile: Don't ask me why but her familly disowned her for marrying outside of Gypsy stock. People are weird.
 
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  • #94
Dont shrink me you gypsy. Take my moneyyyy. I will steal your tears. Hello vanilla face, high five.
 
  • #95
Schrödinger's Dog said:
Ever seen Snatch, they're like them but richer and more culturally snobbish. They'd probably look down on the "pikeys" in that movie. To them they would use it as racial slur, oddly enough. :smile: Don't ask me why but her familly disowned her for marrying outside of Gypsy stock. People are weird.
Or the TV show 'The Riches' with Minnie Driver and Eddie Izzard?
 
  • #96
DaveC426913 said:
Or the TV show 'The Riches' with Minnie Driver and Eddie Izzard?

Not seen it but maybe I should...
 

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