Software to find similarity of two molecules

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The discussion revolves around finding software to compare two molecular structures represented by atomic coordinates generated by different programs. The focus is on the challenges posed by differing output formats and the need for a method to standardize and compare these structures.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks software to compare two sets of atomic coordinates for a cyclic structure made of eight sulfur atoms, generated by different programs.
  • Another participant suggests that manual identification of corresponding atoms and calculating translation and rotation might be a feasible approach if software is not available.
  • A participant notes that the differing order of atomic coordinates between the two programs complicates direct comparison and questions the availability of a chemistry program that can standardize these coordinates for comparison.
  • Another participant reiterates the issue with the differing output order of coordinates and expresses uncertainty about available tools for standardizing and exporting atomic positions.
  • One participant proposes looking for a tool that generates InChIs (International Chemical Identifiers) for both molecules, suggesting that identical InChIs would indicate identical molecular structures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of manual versus software-based solutions for comparing molecular structures. There is no consensus on the best approach or available tools.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the specific output formats of the programs used and the potential need for additional software to facilitate comparison. There are unresolved questions about the availability and functionality of such tools.

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Researchers and practitioners in chemistry and molecular modeling who are interested in comparing molecular structures generated by different software programs.

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I have two files with atomic coordinates for the same generated strucutre (cycle made of eight sulphur atoms), but produced by two different progams (so that output files have different coordinates supposedly connected by translation/rotation). Is there some kind of software to compare the two structures generated.
 
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If you don't need to do that xxxx times, and if there is no software for that, this still looks manageable with a bit of manual help (identify corresponding atoms, then calculate translation and rotation based on three of them).
 
Unfortunately it doesn't work because one program outputs coordinates in order 1, 2, 3...8 while the other does 1, 3, 5, 7, 2, 4, 6, 8. Isn't there some well-known chemistry program that allows to export atomic positions from the structure drawn, so that I could do sth like insert coordinates from program 1, then standardize and export new positions. Repeat for program 2 and compare?
 
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Unfortunately it doesn't work because one program outputs coordinates in order 1, 2, 3...8 while the other does 1, 3, 5, 7, 2, 4, 6, 8.
If you know that order already, it is easy to fix that.

Isn't there some well-known chemistry program that allows to export atomic positions from the structure drawn, so that I could do sth like insert coordinates from program 1, then standardize and export new positions. Repeat for program 2 and compare?
I don't know, that's why I looked for alternative solutions.
 
Basically you are looking for a canonical representation of the molecule. Try to find a tool that will generate IhChI for both molecules, these are guaranteed to be canonical and unique - so if the molecules are identical, InChIs will be identical as well.
 
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