Solution to a sixth grade (degree 6) equation

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The discussion revolves around solving a sixth degree polynomial equation of the form a*x^6 + b*x^4 - c = 0, where a, b, and c are positive constants. Participants are exploring methods to approach this problem, particularly focusing on transformations and the application of Cardano's method for cubic equations.

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  • Participants discuss transforming the original sixth degree equation into a cubic form by substituting t = x^2. There are mentions of using Cardano's method for solving the resulting cubic equation. Some participants express confusion regarding terminology related to the degree of the polynomial versus school grade levels.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to tackle the equation, including variable substitutions and the implications of using Cardano's solution. Some participants have provided links and references to further resources, while others have raised questions about the assumptions made regarding the signs of certain variables.

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Participants note potential confusion arising from differences in educational terminology between countries, which may affect the understanding of the problem's context. There are also discussions about the restrictions on the values of variables p and q in the transformed cubic equation.

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Homework Statement


can you plase support to solve this equation (sixth grade equation)?

Homework Equations


a*x^6 + b*x^4 - c = 0 with a,b,c>0

The Attempt at a Solution


t = x^2 --> t^3 + b/a t^2 - c/a = 0
variable change t = u - b/3a --> u^3 + p*u + q = 0 p,q>0
Cardano´s solution for a third grade equation?
 
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Ennio said:

Homework Statement


can you plase support to solve this equation (sixth grade equation)?

Homework Equations


a*x^6 + b*x^4 - c = 0 with a,b,c>0

The Attempt at a Solution


t = x^2 --> t^3 + b/a t^2 - c/a = 0
variable change t = u - b/3a --> u^3 + p*u + q = 0 p,q>0
Cardano´s solution for a third grade equation?
Your question confused me at first, as I thought you were talking about the sixth grade in school. In English, your first equations would be classified as sixth degree and third degree, respectively.

I don't know of any way to solve the latter equation other than by using Cardano's method. In this case it is slightly simpler than for a general third degree equation, because there is no first-degree term. However, solving third degree equations using Cardano is not something that is taught in any U.S. grade school that I am aware of, and if taught at all at university level, very few of them would include it, to the best of my knowledge.
 
Mark44 said:
Your question confused me at first, as I thought you were talking about the sixth grade in school.

Me as well. But "degree" is "grado" in Italian and Spanish.

Ennio said:
Cardano´s solution for a third [degree] equation?

Yes, Cardano's method would be appropriate. You appear to have transformed it into the form of equation (15) here, so you could proceed with the remainder of that calculation.
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CubicFormula.html

What is your question for us?
 
I think your problem relates to names for grades in primary and secondary schools. The terms used in Britain/US do not match up. British terminology: 3rd form would be second year algebra (or 10-11 grade in US), 6th form in Britain would be doing what is college level math (freshman-sophmore) in the US, i.e., analysis, analytic geometry.
 
RPinPA said:
Me as well. But "degree" is "grado" in Italian and Spanish.
Yes, Cardano's method would be appropriate. You appear to have transformed it into the form of equation (15) here, so you could proceed with the remainder of that calculation.
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CubicFormula.html

What is your question for us?
Thnak you very much for the link. Yes Grado!
 
jim mcnamara said:
I think your problem relates to names for grades in primary and secondary schools. The terms used in Britain/US do not match up. British terminology: 3rd form would be second year algebra (or 10-11 grade in US), 6th form in Britain would be doing what is college level math (freshman-sophmore) in the US, i.e., analysis, analytic geometry.

thanks for the clarification
 
Ennio said:

Homework Statement


can you plase support to solve this equation (sixth grade equation)?

Homework Equations


a*x^6 + b*x^4 - c = 0 with a,b,c>0

The Attempt at a Solution


t = x^2 --> t^3 + b/a t^2 - c/a = 0
variable change t = u - b/3a --> u^3 + p*u + q = 0 p,q>0
Cardano´s solution for a third grade equation?
Another way to get a deflated cubic (one having no quadratic term) as well as giving the solutions to ##\ at^3 + b t^2 - c = 0\ ## is as follows.

Variable change: ##\displaystyle \ t = \frac{1}{w}\,.\ ##

Then we have
## \displaystyle \ a \left(\frac{1}{w^3}\right)+b \left(\frac{1}{w^2}\right) -c =0\,.\ ##​

Multiply by ##\ w^3\ ## and divide by ##\ -c\ ## and rearrange terms.

## \displaystyle w^3 -\frac{b}{c}w - \frac{a}{c} = 0 ##​

Also, you never indicated what sort of solutions you were interested in.
 
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Ennio said:
t^3 + b/a t^2 − c/a = 0
variable change t = u − b/3a --> u^3 + p*u + q = 0 p,q>0
Cardano´s solution for a third grade equation?
I just noticed the restrictions that you have on p and q. Those are incorrect. In fact, it's definitely true that p < 0.
The sign of q depends upon the relative sizes of a, b, and c.

## \displaystyle p=-\, \frac { b^{2}}{3a^{2}} \ ## and ##\ \displaystyle q= \frac {2b^{3}}{27a^{3}} -\frac{c}{a} ##
 

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