Solutions to differential equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the solutions to the differential equation y' = λy, specifically examining the function y(x) = Ae^(λx) as a potential solution. Participants explore the validity of this solution and the implications of derivative notation.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to derive the solution y(x) = Ae^(λx) and expresses confusion about the equality of y' and y'(x), suggesting the differential equation may not hold.
  • Another participant clarifies that y' and y'(x) are different notations for the same derivative, arguing that the proof provided is overly complicated.
  • There is a correction regarding a potential typo in the derivative notation, with emphasis on the equivalence of the equations rather than their equality.
  • Some participants assert that all solutions to the differential equation can be expressed in the form y = Ae^(λx) and demonstrate that differentiating this form yields y' = λy.
  • One participant expresses confusion about setting y' and y'(x) equal, despite earlier assertions that they represent the same derivative.
  • A later reply acknowledges confusion but ultimately thanks another participant for clarification, indicating a shift in understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some agreement on the form of the solution and the relationship between y' and y'(x), but confusion and differing interpretations of the notation and implications of the equations persist. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved regarding the initial participant's concerns about the validity of the solution.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the interpretation of derivative notation and the conditions under which the differential equation holds. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding among participants.

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y(x)=A*e^(λx) ; y'=λy

attempt at solution:

y'(x)= Ae^(λx)*λ

λy= Ae^(λx)*λ

divide by λ, which cancel. then i get:

y=Ae^(λx)

i want to say the differential equation holds but the issue i see is that y' and y'(x) are not equal derivatives, so my final answer is that the differential equation does not hold. what do you guys think?
 
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$$ y=\text{Ae}^{\text{$\lambda $x}}\text{ } $$
 
Latex accident! Will repost later today :)
 
So you want to show that y(x)= Ae^{\lambda x} is the general solution to the differential equation y'= \lambda y or that it is a solution? The first is harder than the second! I don't understand what you mean when you say " y' and y'(x) are not equal derivatives". They are just slightly different ways of writing exactly the same thing- the first just doesn't have the "(x)" which is assumed since y is a function of x.

But your "proof" is a little over complicated. All you need is

If y= Ae^{\lambda x} then y'= A\lambda e^{\lambda x}= \lambda (A e^{\lambda x})= \lambda y.
 
HallsofIvy said:
So you want to show that y(x)= Ae^{\lambda x} is the general solution to the differential equation y'= \lambda y or that it is a solution? The first is harder than the second! I don't understand what you mean when you say " y' and y'(x) are not equal derivatives". They are just slightly different ways of writing exactly the same thing- the first just doesn't have the "(x)" which is assumed since y is a function of x.

But your "proof" is a little over complicated. All you need is

If y= Ae^{\lambda x} then y'= A\lambda e^{\lambda x}= \lambda (A e^{\lambda x})= \lambda y.

when i say y' I am referring to the equation y'=λy and also refferring to y'(x)=Ae^(λx)*x in my example. i know they are both the same. Do the two equations i listed above look equal to each other?
 
nick.martinez said:
when i say y' I am referring to the equation y'=λy and also refferring to y'(x)=Ae^(λx)*x in my example.
There's a typo here. I think you mean y'(x) = Aλeλx.
nick.martinez said:
i know they are both the same. Do the two equations i listed above look equal to each other?
Equations are not "equal" to each other. Equations can be equivalent, which means they have the same set of solutions.

For your differential equation y' = λy, it can be shown that all solutions are of the form y = Aeλx. If you differentiate the latter equation, you get y' = Aλeλx = λy.
 
Mark44 said:
There's a typo here. I think you mean y'(x) = Aλeλx.
Equations are not "equal" to each other. Equations can be equivalent, which means they have the same set of solutions.

For your differential equation y' = λy, it can be shown that all solutions are of the form y = Aeλx. If you differentiate the latter equation, you get y' = Aλeλx = λy.
So in this case I can set y' and y'(x) equal to each other even though when I take the derivative of y(x) i get y'(x)=Ae^(λx)*λ which does not equal y' = λy? Again I did set them equal to each other and got the original y(x). So this is a solution to a diff eq.
 
You've got me really confused. If y= Ae^{\lambda x} then y'= A\lambda e^{\lambda x}= \lambda(Ae^{\lambda x})= \lambda y They are exactly the same!
 
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HallsofIvy said:
You've got me really confused. If y= Ae^{\lambda x} then y'= A\lambda e^{\lambda x}= \lambda(Ae^{\lambda x})= \lambda y They are exactly the same!

Thanks I wasn't thinking never mind. Thanks for the clarification.
 

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