Solve Abstract Algebra Homework: Finding Left Coset (1,2,3)H with Permutations

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The discussion revolves around finding the left coset (1,2,3)H where σ=(1,4,5)(2,3) and H is the subgroup generated by σ. Participants are exploring the properties of permutations and subgroup elements in the context of abstract algebra.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to compute the left coset by applying permutations and are questioning the correctness of their results. There is a focus on understanding the subgroup H and its elements, as well as the process of multiplying cycles.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging in the problem, with some providing guidance on how to multiply cycles and check assumptions about the elements of H. There is recognition of potential errors in the calculations, and a collaborative effort to clarify the steps involved in finding the left coset.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the need to ensure that all elements of the left coset are distinct, and participants are grappling with the implications of cycle notation and permutation multiplication.

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One of my homework problems asks me to list the left coset (1,2,3)H where σ=(1,4,5)(2,3) and H=<σ>.

I know that you have to take the do the permutation of (1,2,3)(1,4,5)(2,3) but i am not sure how you can do that? I got (1,2,3)H={(1,2,3)(3)(1,2,4,5)} but i do not think that is right
 
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H is the subgroup generated by sigma. It has more than one element. Try and figure out what H is first.
 
Dick said:
H is the subgroup generated by sigma. It has more than one element. Try and figure out what H is first.


it H={(1), (1,4,5)(2,3), (1,5,4)(2)(3), (1)(5)(4)(2,3), (1,4,5)(2)(3), (1,5,4)(2,3)}
 
sportlover36 said:
it H={(1), (1,4,5)(2,3), (1,5,4)(2)(3), (1)(5)(4)(2,3), (1,4,5)(2)(3), (1,5,4)(2,3)}

Yes, that looks right. So the left coset (1,2,3)H will have six elements, right?
 
Dick said:
Yes, that looks right. So the left coset (1,2,3)H will have six elements, right?

which are {(1,2,3), (1,4,5,2,3), (1,5,4,2,3), (1,2,3), (1,4,5,2,3), (1,5,4,2,3)}...and i think i am doing it wrong :/
 
sportlover36 said:
which are {(1,2,3), (1,4,5,2,3), (1,5,4,2,3), (1,2,3), (1,4,5,2,3), (1,5,4,2,3)}...and i think i am doing it wrong :/

I agree. Somethings going wrong. All of the elements of (1,2,3)H should be different. The fourth element of H is (2,3), right? (You don't have to write the (4)(5)). (1,2,3)(2,3) isn't (1,2,3).
 
Dick said:
I agree. Somethings going wrong. All of the elements of (1,2,3)H should be different. The fourth element of H is (2,3), right? (You don't have to write the (4)(5)). (1,2,3)(2,3) isn't (1,2,3).


umm is it (1,2,3)(2,3)= (1)(2,3)? I don't really know how to do ones that don't come out perfectly
 
sportlover36 said:
umm is it (1,2,3)(2,3)= (1)(2,3)? I don't really know how to do ones that don't come out perfectly

Well, that's your problem. You should figure out how to multiply these cycles. Start with 1. (2,3) doesn't affect 1. (1,2,3) changes 1 into 2. So the product permutation must start with (1,2... Now where does 2 go?
 
Dick said:
Well, that's your problem. You should figure out how to multiply these cycles. Start with 1. (2,3) doesn't affect 1. (1,2,3) changes 1 into 2. So the product permutation must start with (1,2... Now where does 2 go?



ohh so (1,2,3)(2,3)= (1,2)(3) since 2 goes to 3 and 3 goes to 1
 
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sportlover36 said:
ohh so (1,2,3)(2,3)= (1,2)(3) since 2 goes to 3 and 3 goes to 1

Exactly, you step through the cycles from right to left and figure out where everything goes. It's pretty easy actually.
 
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Dick said:
Exactly, you step through the cycles from right to left and figure out where everything goes. It's pretty easy actually.

so (1,2,3)(1,4,5)(2,3) = (1,4,5,2)(3)?
 
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sportlover36 said:
so (1,2,3)(1,4,5)(2,3) = (1,4,5,2)(3)?

Yes.
 

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